How are AA's BOS-SNN flights doing?
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Slightly OT, but how many transatlantic flights do you think SNN would have if the 50/50 (or 75/25 or whatever) split with DUB were not required? It was my impression that BOS-SNN is not a route that AA would have chosen for itself but was simply the best US-SNN flight available to allow ORD-DUB. Am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
. . . the talk lately is they are looking at Cordoba, Argentina. New cities in Brazil will not happen until Brazil and the US agree on a new air treaty, but AA is ready to step in once that happens, probably BSB and CNF first.
AA has already asked the DOT for route authority to COR on 3/14/06; and to codeshare with LAN on SCL-COR and SCL three other cities in Argentina...
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Originally Posted by MAH4546
The flight performs very well. With a new US-Ireland air treaty that makes the 50/50 rule a 25/75 rule, expect AA to add BOS-DUB and JFK-DUB with 757s. Also, Aer Lingus on MIA-DUB within a year is almost definite.
Originally Posted by pauleeepaul
MAH4546 has credibility on AA matters, IMHO. I've gotten a heads up 3-4 times on schedule/destination changes. Sometimes insiders can't give too much away about their sources.
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Originally Posted by sdsearch
Cork airport is expanding (expansion due to go online 10 May 2006). Do you expect AA to add (or shift from SNN) to there when that happens?
Since SNN is "in the middle of nowhere", I'm not clear if it's an AA destination because it's an ideal location or just because it's the only practical airport in that part of Ireland NOW. My understanding is SNN was built as a refueling stopover to Europe in the days of shorter-range planes, not as an O/D airport. But I'm curious on whether Cork would make more sense as an O/D airport than SNN once Cork can handle the capacity.
Since SNN is "in the middle of nowhere", I'm not clear if it's an AA destination because it's an ideal location or just because it's the only practical airport in that part of Ireland NOW. My understanding is SNN was built as a refueling stopover to Europe in the days of shorter-range planes, not as an O/D airport. But I'm curious on whether Cork would make more sense as an O/D airport than SNN once Cork can handle the capacity.
You should remember that the other part of that re-fueling equation was Gander, Newfoundland, which didn't exactly catch on as an O/D airport because it was, well....in the middle of nowhere.
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How early do you need to get to the Shannon airport to clear security and customs to catch the SNN-BOS flight?
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Originally Posted by bbkenney
SNN the middle of nowhere? This is going to shock the folks headed to play golf or sightsee at Ballybunion, Killarney, Lahinch, Cliffs of Moher, Galway, Limerick, Claire, the entire west coast and too many other places to list here.
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Originally Posted by gcsmith
How early do you need to get to the Shannon airport to clear security and customs to catch the SNN-BOS flight?
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For what it's worth, most Irish Americans in BOS area are from the West Coast of Ireland - for whatever reason, I am not sure, but it seems that's how the migration patterns have been. Galway, Donegal, Kerry, Sligo.
Many of the new immigrants come from Dublin - but that seems to have been in the last 10 years or so.
Many BOS Irish have gone on vacation to Ireland to look up relatives or see where their family came from - tracing their roots. Most of the local BOS-SNN traffic is therefore going to the West Coast of Ireland because that's where their families came from.
Several airlines have had service BOS-SNN - years ago NW (when it was still called Northwest Orient) used to fly a DC-10, scheduled charters through Crystal Travel, etc. Aer Lingus flies 2 widebodies/day in high season. There's a lot of BOS-SNN traffic out there - not to even mention that the Irish LOVE Boston as well and come here on vacation.
Many of the new immigrants come from Dublin - but that seems to have been in the last 10 years or so.
Many BOS Irish have gone on vacation to Ireland to look up relatives or see where their family came from - tracing their roots. Most of the local BOS-SNN traffic is therefore going to the West Coast of Ireland because that's where their families came from.
Several airlines have had service BOS-SNN - years ago NW (when it was still called Northwest Orient) used to fly a DC-10, scheduled charters through Crystal Travel, etc. Aer Lingus flies 2 widebodies/day in high season. There's a lot of BOS-SNN traffic out there - not to even mention that the Irish LOVE Boston as well and come here on vacation.
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Originally Posted by TrishBOS
Many BOS Irish have gone on vacation to Ireland to look up relatives or see where their family came from - tracing their roots.
I did the grand tour with my dad and sister a few years ago, visiting genealogical centers in Sligo and Clare, and having them do research. My dad and sister have since been back and visited gravesites of relatives that lived there 100 years ago. They prepared a very nicely bound report with all sorts of details on the family tree.
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Fair enough. I still wonder though what would happen to US-SNN service in the absence of a 50/50 rule, and whether AA would be running BOS-SNN it in the absence of ORD-DUB. I guess we'll see if SNN service really drops to the 25% minimum under the new treaty and whether that is due to increased DUB traffic or decreased SNN flights. I personally would LOVE BOS-DUB (on an AA 757 with free "FC" upgrade) since DUB is a very convenient and cheap jumping off point for Europe while continental connections from SNN are poor at best.
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Originally Posted by WhoME
I personally would LOVE BOS-DUB (on an AA 757 with free "FC" upgrade) since DUB is a very convenient and cheap jumping off point for Europe while continental connections from SNN are poor at best.
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Most of the Irish immigrants to the US in the 1800's were from the west side of Ireland because that is where the potato famine hit the hardest. Just read a really interesting (but depressing) book about this.
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I'm actually trying hard to remain unfamiliar with RyanAir . Seriously, they have what, a dozen destinations on the continent from SNN, with a single flight per day to each; good luck making a reasonable connection to an international flight. Also, you can't interline AA-FR so, provided you do get a reasonable connection, you have to claim bags, schlep through airport, check bags, and reclear security. Then you have to fly FR which, though I've not done it, sounds none too pleasant, and you end up in Beauvais or Hahn or Charleroi instead of Paris or Frankfurt or Brussels. Of course, if your AA flight is late, you're pretty much screwed since you've missed the one FR flight of the day, and vice versa on the return. Since I no longer travel quite as lightly on vacation as I once did, it's just not worth it for me, even to save several $100s.
On the other hand, BOS-DUB-XXX on AA/EI would be worth it even at a slight premium over the LHR connection because, well, you've got to connect somewhere and DUB seems like an easier place to do it; plus the "FC" upgrade, of course.
YMMV
Michael
On the other hand, BOS-DUB-XXX on AA/EI would be worth it even at a slight premium over the LHR connection because, well, you've got to connect somewhere and DUB seems like an easier place to do it; plus the "FC" upgrade, of course.
YMMV
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Originally Posted by RachelG
Most of the Irish immigrants to the US in the 1800's were from the west side of Ireland because that is where the potato famine hit the hardest. Just read a really interesting (but depressing) book about this.