The missing 777-200ER is leased to Boeing

 
Old Feb 25, 06, 7:59 pm
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The missing 777-200ER is leased to Boeing

Per the 10k annual report (Feb. 2006) AA has leased a 777-200ER to Boeing for up to 12 months. Only operating 44 (not 45). Any one know what is going on?
Also will still take delivery of 2 777-200ER in 2006. Does not say they will operate them. No other main line planes scheduled until 2013. 75 leases are up between 2006-2010. 27 MD80's permanently retired in 2005.

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Old Feb 25, 06, 9:31 pm
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I believe the new 777s are intended for the ORD-PVG route.
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Boeing couldn't figure out any other way to get there hands on one?
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Old Feb 26, 06, 1:30 am
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Originally Posted by zman
Per the 10k annual report (Feb. 2006) AA has leased a 777-200ER to Boeing for up to 12 months. Only operating 44 (not 45). Any one know what is going on?
Also will still take delivery of 2 777-200ER in 2006. Does not say they will operate them. No other main line planes scheduled until 2013. 75 leases are up between 2006-2010. 27 MD80's permanently retired in 2005.

That's interesting, Airfleets has one T7 as being "stored". With 44 being active.

I don't know why AA would drop a T7 when they're hurting for them right now.
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This is probably wrong but I figure it's worth mentioning just in case:

Could the 'missing' 777 be operating troop flights?
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Boeing needed to lease a B777 to undergo some type of tests in reference to the B787.
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Originally Posted by tismfu
This is probably wrong but I figure it's worth mentioning just in case:

Could the 'missing' 777 be operating troop flights?
Possibly, but those aircraft don't usually leave revenue pax service for extended periods of time.
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Originally Posted by fly72
Boeing needed to lease a B777 to undergo some type of tests in reference to the B787.
Source?? I see a B.S. flag flying on this one.
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Boeing couldn't figure out any other way to get there hands on one?
More like "AA couldn't find any better use for it than to lease it to Boeing?"

Originally Posted by WRCSolberg
I don't know why AA would drop a T7 when they're hurting for them right now.
The very fact that AA considers it surplus right now and is willing to lease it to Boeing might help to dispel the myth that AA is "hurting for them [777s] right now."

Over the long term, AA could probably use a few more 777s, but in the short term, the reality is that AA isn't starved for new 777s. If it were, it would call Boeing and order them.

El Al ordered two new 777-200ERs in December and they're scheduled for 2007 delivery, so I'm confident AA could get them relatively quickly if it really needed them.
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Originally Posted by FWAAA
More like "AA couldn't find any better use for it than to lease it to Boeing?"



The very fact that AA considers it surplus right now and is willing to lease it to Boeing might help to dispel the myth that AA is "hurting for them [777s] right now."

Over the long term, AA could probably use a few more 777s, but in the short term, the reality is that AA isn't starved for new 777s. If it were, it would call Boeing and order them.

El Al ordered two new 777-200ERs in December and they're scheduled for 2007 delivery, so I'm confident AA could get them relatively quickly if it really needed them.

FWAAA... totally agree. The information that I was given confirms that AA got a good deal to lease the aircraft to Boeing.
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Old Feb 26, 06, 12:43 pm
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American has leased its Boeing 777-200 not operated by the Company to The Boeing Company for a period of up to twelve months beginning in December 2005.
Says nothing in there about why Boeing leased the plane.
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Leased to Boeing for 787 flight testing...at least thats the word going around
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Originally Posted by FWAAA
More like "AA couldn't find any better use for it than to lease it to Boeing?"



The very fact that AA considers it surplus right now and is willing to lease it to Boeing might help to dispel the myth that AA is "hurting for them [777s] right now."

Over the long term, AA could probably use a few more 777s, but in the short term, the reality is that AA isn't starved for new 777s. If it were, it would call Boeing and order them.

El Al ordered two new 777-200ERs in December and they're scheduled for 2007 delivery, so I'm confident AA could get them relatively quickly if it really needed them.

Well when your expansion plans are dictated by your aircraft inventory, I consider them to be somewhat crucial. Especially when one considers that where AA has been expanding lately can only be reached with a 777(as far as AA's fleet goes).

It's probably not so much that AA doesn't need the aircraft so much as the attractiveness of the deal Boeing made with them, that's what I'm surmising anyway.
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Originally Posted by WRCSolberg
It's probably not so much that AA doesn't need the aircraft so much as the attractiveness of the deal Boeing made with them, that's what I'm surmising anyway.
My guess is that the accounting team worked up some numbers Management liked, indicating that the lease, over time, would probably net AA much more revenue and profit than the bird would make in scheduled passenger service.

With widebody capacity stretched to the limit across the entire airline industry, carriers won't give up seats in this manner unless the transaction nets more than they would normally make. JMHO.
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