B fares: What are they used for?
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Originally Posted by HNL
I've seen YUPS cheaper than Bs.
I regularly fly B fares between BOS and LHR, and it's great. For <$2K and 20K miles you get round-trip C class, a tiny fraction of the full J price. All you have to do is find flights where the J load is low, so as long as you don't go over Sunday night (or return on Friday PM), you have a very good shot. Fly mid week (I usually go over on Tuesday and return on Thursday a week later) and I've never missed getting the upgrade.
However, I cannot find B fares in any of the domestic markets. The YUP fares (both the A type and P type) would seem to fill the same niche in the domestic fare structure: a little below full Y, but with an upgrade built in.
For BOS-DFW (for example) YUPPMZ is $100 more than H26Z, and a little over half the price of full Y.
So, can anybody tell me of a concrete example where domestic B fares exist, and how they compare to a YUP in the same market?
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
Honestly. I don't think you really are familiar, at all, with how much -B- fares, where available, actually cost-- I've seen you massively misstate the costs of -B- fares before-- they are very expensive as a general rule. I also don't understand what you think the advantages are in your case-- what, exactly, do you think they do for you?
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Originally Posted by ricktoronto
Vs. Y though, they are not as expensive afor essentially the same thing, and on international routes offer a great opportunity for flexibility and no co-pay, low points upgrades. True they are not cheap like S fares but are not much more than some V, H etc., fares.
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On some routes, B fares offer great savings over full Y, as JonNYC has pointed out numerous times.
On other routes, however, beware the B fare, as they sometimes can be substantially more than Y, like here, on LAX-PVG for April 2:
I'll take a B fare, please, but not that $5,200 variety; I meant the $1,930 version.
On other routes, however, beware the B fare, as they sometimes can be substantially more than Y, like here, on LAX-PVG for April 2:
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WLXPX6M AA W Round-Trip 1040.00 (USD) WLWPX6M AA W Round-Trip 1090.00 (USD) WLSPX6M AA W Round-Trip 1100.00 (USD) MLXPX6M AA M Round-Trip 1190.00 (USD) MLWPX6M AA M Round-Trip 1240.00 (USD) MLSPX6M AA M Round-Trip 1270.00 (USD) BHAPCX AA B Round-Trip 1930.00 (USD) MKOW1 AA M One-Way 1085.00 (USD) YO2R AA Y Round-Trip 3330.00 (USD) YO2YMU AA Y One-Way 1785.00 (USD) YO2 AA Y One-Way 1810.00 (USD) BLEAS AA B Round-Trip 5118.00 (USD) DXR AA D Round-Trip 6510.00 (USD) JXR AA J Round-Trip 6770.00 (USD) DX AA D One-Way 3435.00 (USD) JXMU AA J One-Way 3545.00 (USD) JX AA J One-Way 3570.00 (USD) DWR AA D Round-Trip 7530.00 (USD) DW AA D One-Way 3985.00 (USD) JR AA J Round-Trip 8100.00 (USD) JJR AA J Round-Trip 8560.00 (USD) JMU AA J One-Way 4405.00 (USD) J AA J One-Way 4430.00 (USD) Y AA Y One-Way 4556.00 (USD) JJMU AA J One-Way 4665.00 (USD) JJ AA J One-Way 4690.00 (USD) J AA J One-Way 5668.00 (USD) FR AA F Round-Trip 11720.00 (USD) FMU AA F One-Way 6635.00 (USD) F AA F One-Way 6660.00 (USD) F AA F One-Way 7995.00 (USD) 31 Fares Returned
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Do I take this to be that whilst BHXAN2 books in B it is not a Full Fare Economy for upgrade purposes, despite being a 'Full Fare Economy' for earning purposes?
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Is this strictly correct? I am looking at a flight with fare code BHXAN2, which does have cancellation/change penalties associated with it. AA.com states Upgrade on Full Fare Economy is an upgrade to the next class of service on any unrestricted full-fare economy ticket. Unless otherwise noted, a full-fare ticket is one that is booked in Y or B and is unrestricted, requires no fee for change or cancellation, has no advance purchase requirements, and is fully refundable.
Do I take this to be that whilst BHXAN2 books in B it is not a Full Fare Economy for upgrade purposes, despite being a 'Full Fare Economy' for earning purposes?
Do I take this to be that whilst BHXAN2 books in B it is not a Full Fare Economy for upgrade purposes, despite being a 'Full Fare Economy' for earning purposes?
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On AA, as long as it books into B class, it is a B fare -- regardless of whether the B fare has any restrictions. And thus, does not require a co-pay of miles.
Is this strictly correct? I am looking at a flight with fare code BHXAN2, which does have cancellation/change penalties associated with it. AA.com states Upgrade on Full Fare Economy is an upgrade to the next class of service on any unrestricted full-fare economy ticket. Unless otherwise noted, a full-fare ticket is one that is booked in Y or B and is unrestricted, requires no fee for change or cancellation, has no advance purchase requirements, and is fully refundable.
Do I take this to be that whilst BHXAN2 books in B it is not a Full Fare Economy for upgrade purposes, despite being a 'Full Fare Economy' for earning purposes?
Do I take this to be that whilst BHXAN2 books in B it is not a Full Fare Economy for upgrade purposes, despite being a 'Full Fare Economy' for earning purposes?
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Just what I wanted to hear, many thanks.
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There are some fantastic B class fares that AA has from South America to Australia. $2000+ ex-SCL return, $2500+ ex-EZE and Brazilian ports.
In May I did POA-GRU-EZE-ORD-HNL-SYD-HNL-LAX-ORD-EZE-GRU-POA.
EZE-ORD-HNL,HNL-LAX-ORD-EZE cost a total of 20000 miles to upgrade.
You can even route these fares via NRT/HKG to get to Australia.
In May I did POA-GRU-EZE-ORD-HNL-SYD-HNL-LAX-ORD-EZE-GRU-POA.
EZE-ORD-HNL,HNL-LAX-ORD-EZE cost a total of 20000 miles to upgrade.
You can even route these fares via NRT/HKG to get to Australia.