Nesting question
#1
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Nesting question
I have seen this topic discussed--makes no sense to me --here goes.
I am flying Point A to Point C--the flight stops in Point B--there are no non stops on this route--fare is $880
If I book 2 separate tickets Point A to Point B is $280 and Point B to Point C is $190 for a total of $470--Same exact flights.
Is this what people are talking about with nesting?
The fare stucture makes no sense to me.
I am flying Point A to Point C--the flight stops in Point B--there are no non stops on this route--fare is $880
If I book 2 separate tickets Point A to Point B is $280 and Point B to Point C is $190 for a total of $470--Same exact flights.
Is this what people are talking about with nesting?
The fare stucture makes no sense to me.
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That is not nesting. That is perfectly legal.
Illegal nesting is where you return to your ORIGIN on a separate ticket, then go back out again and finally return on the first ticket, thereby circumventing minimum stay requirements.
Example (Illegal):
First ticket: A --> B on 12/1, returning B --> A on 12/30
Second Ticket: B --> A on 12/7, returning A --> B on 12/20
Note that you get to fly back to A on the second while you technically were supposed to be staying at B under the terms of the first ticket.
However, it would be legal if you had a second ticket to go to an ONWARD destination, just not back to the ORIGIN.
Example (Legal):
First ticket: A --> B on 12/1, returning B --> A on 12/30
Second Ticket: B --> C on 12/7, returning C --> B on 12/20
Remember that it would still be considered illegal nesting if you returned to a different airport in the SAME city (such as NYC: LGA/JFK/EWR/HPN; CHI: ORD/MDW).
Illegal nesting is where you return to your ORIGIN on a separate ticket, then go back out again and finally return on the first ticket, thereby circumventing minimum stay requirements.
Example (Illegal):
First ticket: A --> B on 12/1, returning B --> A on 12/30
Second Ticket: B --> A on 12/7, returning A --> B on 12/20
Note that you get to fly back to A on the second while you technically were supposed to be staying at B under the terms of the first ticket.
However, it would be legal if you had a second ticket to go to an ONWARD destination, just not back to the ORIGIN.
Example (Legal):
First ticket: A --> B on 12/1, returning B --> A on 12/30
Second Ticket: B --> C on 12/7, returning C --> B on 12/20
Remember that it would still be considered illegal nesting if you returned to a different airport in the SAME city (such as NYC: LGA/JFK/EWR/HPN; CHI: ORD/MDW).
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So, for what the OP wants to do, it would be just fine.
The only thing I would say is to be cautious with choosing how much layover time you have at B between the separately-ticketed itineraries. More is better. Here's why:
If you are traveling on 2 separate reservations and you experience IRROPS, the airline first will not know that you are continuing on from B, and secondly might refuse to accomodate you without huge fees since it's not the same itinerary. In other words, if you show up extremely late at B and they have canceled your second reservation, you will be out of luck and the value of the second ticket will be gone, especially if the last flight of the day B --> C has departed.
The same thing can happen if you book really tight connections by booking by segment rather than point-to-point.
The only thing I would say is to be cautious with choosing how much layover time you have at B between the separately-ticketed itineraries. More is better. Here's why:
If you are traveling on 2 separate reservations and you experience IRROPS, the airline first will not know that you are continuing on from B, and secondly might refuse to accomodate you without huge fees since it's not the same itinerary. In other words, if you show up extremely late at B and they have canceled your second reservation, you will be out of luck and the value of the second ticket will be gone, especially if the last flight of the day B --> C has departed.
The same thing can happen if you book really tight connections by booking by segment rather than point-to-point.
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Originally Posted by vail
I am flying Point A to Point C--the flight stops in Point B--there are no non stops on this route--fare is $880
If I book 2 separate tickets Point A to Point B is $280 and Point B to Point C is $190 for a total of $470--Same exact flights.
If I book 2 separate tickets Point A to Point B is $280 and Point B to Point C is $190 for a total of $470--Same exact flights.
Edited to add: Incorrect, as nako points out below. I should have used the term "split cities" instead.
- I believe airlines don't like it when people do this.
Edited to add: Incorrect. According to Tom Parsons' book "Insider Travel Secrets", Split Cities is a great tactic for saving money.
- I believe you can still book it all as one ticket (at the $470 price) on AA.com, if you book a multi-city trip with four segments. It's worth a try.
Edited to add: hey, I got one right!
- I believe I'll be quickly corrected by someone if any of the above info is incorrect.
Edited to add: I was right again!
Last edited by CloudCoder; Dec 9, 2005 at 6:51 pm Reason: Correct info
#5
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The strangest part of this is that A to C is a through flight --same aircraft and it stops at point B and everyone has to get off anyway.
So there is no chance of missing the flight!!!
SO my next question is what kind of strange pricing is this?
So there is no chance of missing the flight!!!
SO my next question is what kind of strange pricing is this?
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- I believe you can still book it all as one ticket (at the $470 price) on AA.com, if you book a multi-city trip with four segments.
I know this trick--I just did not try it this time--I use that for other needs.-
- I believe you can still book it all as one ticket (at the $470 price) on AA.com, if you book a multi-city trip with four segments.
I know this trick--I just did not try it this time--I use that for other needs.-
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It sounds a little odd that 2 nonstop tickets (presumably through an AA hub) would cost less than one connect ticket. What market(s) are you looking at?
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Originally Posted by SquareDanceGuy
- I believe this is called "back to back ticketing".
(Of course, the way around this is to try and book it as a single ticket - the multi-city trick posted earlier may help you get the combined price.)
Back-to-back ticketing would only exist if point A and point C were, in actuality, the same point. It's against the rules if it's done to circumvent minimum stay requirements on the same ticket - that is, you can't book JFK-LAX on a Tuesday and LAX-JFK on a Friday to avoid the Saturday night stay restriction on the first ticket.
Mike
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Originally Posted by SAN-man
It sounds a little odd that 2 nonstop tickets (presumably through an AA hub) would cost less than one connect ticket. What market(s) are you looking at?
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Originally Posted by nako
No, it's not. This is an example of "end-on-end" ticketing, which is perfectly allowable (because point A and point C are not the same).
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Originally Posted by SquareDanceGuy
STL is occasionally characterized by this paradoxical phenemenon.