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#92
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Castro Valley, CA
Posts: 51
Stopovers on CA to Hawaii flights
I am confused after reading the new rules. Can we still get a within 48 state city stopover on reward tickets from CA to Hawaii? What I read into the new rules is that CA originating flights to Hawaii can only have a CA stopover. I know previously that one could fly SFO-HNL-SJU-SFO on a 35K award ticket. You can substitute SJU for any 48 state city. SJU was also include with the 48 states.If CA originating flights are restricted to CA only stopvers, that is grossly unfair since it costs the same 35K miles originating from any othe US city. Please confirm.
#93
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 117
hawaii stopover on way to saigon?
is this routing legal for an award ticket?
SJC-HKG (stopover) - Saigon (destination) - HKG - HON (stopover) - LAX-JFK?
thanks very much folks...
djdevvydev
SJC-HKG (stopover) - Saigon (destination) - HKG - HON (stopover) - LAX-JFK?
thanks very much folks...
djdevvydev
#94
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Milwaukee, Wi. USA
Posts: 675
Honolulu as US gateway
Originally Posted by Brenda
I am confused after reading the new rules. Can we still get a within 48 state city stopover on reward tickets from CA to Hawaii? What I read into the new rules is that CA originating flights to Hawaii can only have a CA stopover. I know previously that one could fly SFO-HNL-SJU-SFO on a 35K award ticket. You can substitute SJU for any 48 state city. SJU was also include with the 48 states.If CA originating flights are restricted to CA only stopvers, that is grossly unfair since it costs the same 35K miles originating from any othe US city. Please confirm.
#95
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Pampanga, Philippines
Programs: TK Elite Plus, FB Platinum, Emirates
Posts: 1,619
Originally Posted by LH747FTL
Got my Easter Island itinerary finally ticketed today.
BKK-SIN CX C
SIN-SYD BA F
SYD-PPT TN F
PPT-IPC LA C
IPC-PPT LA C
PPT-AKL TN F
AKL-SYD QF Y
SYD-HKG CX C
HKG-BKK CX F
Fingers crossed the CX SYD-HKG flight would open up in F later.
BKK-SIN CX C
SIN-SYD BA F
SYD-PPT TN F
PPT-IPC LA C
IPC-PPT LA C
PPT-AKL TN F
AKL-SYD QF Y
SYD-HKG CX C
HKG-BKK CX F
Fingers crossed the CX SYD-HKG flight would open up in F later.
TN has rescheduled the SYD flights to different days apparently.
Anyway, the first post mentions TN C being booked to I or Z - which one is correct nowadays? Just in case A is not available - does any website show TN award bucket availability? Off to the BKK office I go again...
#96
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Austin TX, AA Platinum for life (who will live longer, me or AAdvantage?)
Posts: 426
I ran through this thread to find the answer but can't find it.
Can someone book an award ticket with the following domestic:
AUS-DFW-SFO (stopover)-JFK-ORD-AUS ?
When I called the evening AA people they said no way.
Any thoughts?
thanks!!
edited to change NYC to JFK so as not to backtrack and fly thru DFW
Can someone book an award ticket with the following domestic:
AUS-DFW-SFO (stopover)-JFK-ORD-AUS ?
When I called the evening AA people they said no way.
Any thoughts?
thanks!!
edited to change NYC to JFK so as not to backtrack and fly thru DFW
Last edited by jeffo; Feb 1, 2006 at 10:01 pm
#97
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Austin TX USA
Programs: UA life 1K, 2MM; AA Life Pt 3mm; DL nada now!; AS nada now; BA, FD, CX, LH, DD, Amex Pt, Diners
Posts: 950
Impact of the 6 hour rule
Originally Posted by JonNYC
Clarification:
the rule for All Partner awards differs from an all AA award.
These are the rules as they apply to an all-AA award:
the rule for All Partner awards differs from an all AA award.
These are the rules as they apply to an all-AA award:
#98
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Programs: UA 1K (sob...former GS), Marriott Platinum
Posts: 236
Question re: itinerary
I have a question about an award itinerary (in biz, ideally) I'm trying to put together for this fall - would it be legal to do the following? I'm trying to do a multi-leg itinerary, and not sure if it's allowed as I'd be going to Asia 2 and 1.
ORD-HKG (via LAX/SFO to get onto CX), stay in HKG for a week or so with a side trip or two not contained in this award ticket, then:
HKG-PEK (on CX), stay in PEK for a few days, then:
PEK-ORD (via NRT to use JL)
??
ORD-HKG (via LAX/SFO to get onto CX), stay in HKG for a week or so with a side trip or two not contained in this award ticket, then:
HKG-PEK (on CX), stay in PEK for a few days, then:
PEK-ORD (via NRT to use JL)
??
#99
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Dallas, TX
Programs: AA 2MM PLT, SPG Platinum, Hyatt Platinum, Marriott Silver, Hilton Gold
Posts: 425
Originally Posted by DasKitty
I have a question about an award itinerary (in biz, ideally) I'm trying to put together for this fall - would it be legal to do the following? I'm trying to do a multi-leg itinerary, and not sure if it's allowed as I'd be going to Asia 2 and 1.
ORD-HKG (via LAX/SFO to get onto CX), stay in HKG for a week or so with a side trip or two not contained in this award ticket, then:
HKG-PEK (on CX), stay in PEK for a few days, then:
PEK-ORD (via NRT to use JL)
??
ORD-HKG (via LAX/SFO to get onto CX), stay in HKG for a week or so with a side trip or two not contained in this award ticket, then:
HKG-PEK (on CX), stay in PEK for a few days, then:
PEK-ORD (via NRT to use JL)
??
If you're using a J award ticket, you should just go ahead and book it ORD-LAX in F, connect to HKG in J on CX, use HKG as your international stopover and continue on to PEK on CX whenever you want. Then you're ready to return, go back to ORD via HKG on CX, then LAX-ORD on AA. TRUST me that CX J is the way to go.
#100
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Programs: UA 1K (sob...former GS), Marriott Platinum
Posts: 236
Originally Posted by DFWFlyer2
OK, WHY would you want to go via NRT and use JL exactly?
If you're using a J award ticket, you should just go ahead and book it ORD-LAX in F, connect to HKG in J on CX, use HKG as your international stopover and continue on to PEK on CX whenever you want. Then you're ready to return, go back to ORD via HKG on CX, then LAX-ORD on AA. TRUST me that CX J is the way to go.
If you're using a J award ticket, you should just go ahead and book it ORD-LAX in F, connect to HKG in J on CX, use HKG as your international stopover and continue on to PEK on CX whenever you want. Then you're ready to return, go back to ORD via HKG on CX, then LAX-ORD on AA. TRUST me that CX J is the way to go.
I certainly didn't mean to imply I'd prefer JL over CX....just figured PEK-NRT-ORD would be simpler than PEK-HKG-LAX-ORD.
#101
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: South Bend, IN
Programs: AA EXP 3 MM; Marriott Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium Elite
Posts: 18,558
The following Oneworld F Award was rejected at the 180,000 mile level (allowed at 230,000 miles, but no thanks).
ORD-SFO-HKG-MEL-DPO//HBA-SYD//SYD-MEL-HKG-LAX-JFK,LGA-ORD
I was given two competing reasons for this:
1 - I could only overnight in NYC if I was on the last flight out to NYC from LAX. I was on the second to last, not counting the red-eyes. Even though it arrived after the last flights to ORD, it did not comply.
2 - I needed to take the most direct routing between stopover/end points, meaning I had to route LAX-ORD. If true, that would be a significant rule change and could potentially affect all kinds of out fo the way routings needed to find availability.
I hope the real reason was #1 and not #2.
ORD-SFO-HKG-MEL-DPO//HBA-SYD//SYD-MEL-HKG-LAX-JFK,LGA-ORD
I was given two competing reasons for this:
1 - I could only overnight in NYC if I was on the last flight out to NYC from LAX. I was on the second to last, not counting the red-eyes. Even though it arrived after the last flights to ORD, it did not comply.
2 - I needed to take the most direct routing between stopover/end points, meaning I had to route LAX-ORD. If true, that would be a significant rule change and could potentially affect all kinds of out fo the way routings needed to find availability.
I hope the real reason was #1 and not #2.
#102
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 6,423
If I'm flying EWR-ZRH-TXL-[open jaw]-MUC-ZRH-EWR using AA miles on LX, I presume I can't change to EWR-ZRH-TXL-[stop]-MUC-[stop]-ZRH-EWR.
Any chance I can get AA to add the TXL-MUC flight in the middle?
Any chance I can get AA to add the TXL-MUC flight in the middle?
#103
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 4,861
Originally Posted by PresRDC
The following Oneworld F Award was rejected at the 180,000 mile level (allowed at 230,000 miles, but no thanks).
ORD-SFO-HKG-MEL-DPO//HBA-SYD//SYD-MEL-HKG-LAX-JFK,LGA-ORD
I was given two competing reasons for this:
1 - I could only overnight in NYC if I was on the last flight out to NYC from LAX. I was on the second to last, not counting the red-eyes. Even though it arrived after the last flights to ORD, it did not comply.
ORD-SFO-HKG-MEL-DPO//HBA-SYD//SYD-MEL-HKG-LAX-JFK,LGA-ORD
I was given two competing reasons for this:
1 - I could only overnight in NYC if I was on the last flight out to NYC from LAX. I was on the second to last, not counting the red-eyes. Even though it arrived after the last flights to ORD, it did not comply.
According to JonNYC on May 24, 2005, the rule is as follows:
"Passenger has ... 6 hours to connect.... If there are no scheduled flights within this timeframe, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but, may not exceed 24 hours. If the connection exceeds 24 hours, it will be considered a stopover. If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the ... 6 hour window and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the ... 6 hour window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight. It is not necessary to check every flight/carrier to ensure passenger is booked on next scheduled flight."
You might want to take a look at this thread in the oneworld forum.
#104
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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Posts: 27,730
Originally Posted by Austinrunner
Assuming that you have stopovers in DPO/HBA, SYD, and JFK/LGA, your total countable trip miles is 21,007 according to Great Circle Mapper. That costs 230,000 AA miles in first class.
According to JonNYC on May 24, 2005, the rule is as follows:
"Passenger has ... 6 hours to connect.... If there are no scheduled flights within this timeframe, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but, may not exceed 24 hours. If the connection exceeds 24 hours, it will be considered a stopover. If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the ... 6 hour window and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the ... 6 hour window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight. It is not necessary to check every flight/carrier to ensure passenger is booked on next scheduled flight."
You might want to take a look at this thread in the oneworld forum.
According to JonNYC on May 24, 2005, the rule is as follows:
"Passenger has ... 6 hours to connect.... If there are no scheduled flights within this timeframe, regardless of availability, the passenger must take the next scheduled flight but, may not exceed 24 hours. If the connection exceeds 24 hours, it will be considered a stopover. If there is a non-stop flight that departs after the ... 6 hour window and arrives at the destination earlier than a connecting flight within the ... 6 hour window, the passenger may be booked on the non-stop flight. It is not necessary to check every flight/carrier to ensure passenger is booked on next scheduled flight."
You might want to take a look at this thread in the oneworld forum.
The very question here is what rule-- as we know them-- makes that a stop-over, even though it doesn't appear to be.
Last edited by JonNYC; Mar 6, 2006 at 11:24 am
#105
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 3,083
Originally Posted by PresRDC
The following Oneworld F Award was rejected at the 180,000 mile level (allowed at 230,000 miles, but no thanks).
ORD-SFO-HKG-MEL-DPO//HBA-SYD//SYD-MEL-HKG-LAX-JFK,LGA-ORD
I was given two competing reasons for this:
1 - I could only overnight in NYC if I was on the last flight out to NYC from LAX. I was on the second to last, not counting the red-eyes. Even though it arrived after the last flights to ORD, it did not comply.
2 - I needed to take the most direct routing between stopover/end points, meaning I had to route LAX-ORD. If true, that would be a significant rule change and could potentially affect all kinds of out fo the way routings needed to find availability.
I hope the real reason was #1 and not #2.
ORD-SFO-HKG-MEL-DPO//HBA-SYD//SYD-MEL-HKG-LAX-JFK,LGA-ORD
I was given two competing reasons for this:
1 - I could only overnight in NYC if I was on the last flight out to NYC from LAX. I was on the second to last, not counting the red-eyes. Even though it arrived after the last flights to ORD, it did not comply.
2 - I needed to take the most direct routing between stopover/end points, meaning I had to route LAX-ORD. If true, that would be a significant rule change and could potentially affect all kinds of out fo the way routings needed to find availability.
I hope the real reason was #1 and not #2.
You just need to go on the next flight [within x hours] even if it is the red-eye.