Big News from AA? Emphasis on the ?
#16
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Originally Posted by mwhitted
They could just do something like Amtrak and schedule 4 hours for DFW-ORD flights so that they'll (almost?) always be "early".
#17
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Yeah, and what happens when you miss your tango time, and another flight is close to theirs? Do they re-prioritize gate assignment to make sure that only the 1 flight is late, and not both? I could see them saying "well flt. 783 is already late, so let them sit there while we try to sneak flt 655 in there before getting a second late arrival."
This could either go really well, or majorly suck at ORD, as planes tend to get lost out in the penalty box fairly often...unless your pilot keeps bugging the ground control.
This could either go really well, or majorly suck at ORD, as planes tend to get lost out in the penalty box fairly often...unless your pilot keeps bugging the ground control.
#18
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Originally Posted by mwhitted
So this could be at the expense of a flight that had landed early, so could be left sitting on the ramp because it was not in danger of being late yet? Or worse, one that was late already so could not be "saved"?
But, hey, if they're in the top 3 as the World's largest airline that ain't bad.
#19
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Let's TANGO!
Originally Posted by mwhitted
So this could be at the expense of a flight that had landed early, so could be left sitting on the ramp because it was not in danger of being late yet? Or worse, one that was late already so could not be "saved"? They could just do something like Amtrak and schedule 4 hours for DFW-ORD flights so that they'll (almost?) always be "early".
Still optimistic though, it could work!
#20
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Originally Posted by mickwrites
Sure, other airlines have done that, though not so blatantly. Would YOu get on a DFW-ORD flight scheduled to last four hours?
#21
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Originally Posted by tismfu
...But, hey, if they're in the top 3 as the World's largest airline that ain't bad.
#22
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Originally Posted by bbkenney
The Dallas TV stations are running teasers for their 10pm news about big news coming from AA which will lure flyers (frequent and otherwise I guess) to them by the zillions. Stay tuned.
#23
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Originally Posted by chgoeditor
I don't fly DFW-ORD much these days, but haven't you noticed that all of the routes you regularly fly are getting longer and longer these days? I remember when ORD-EWR/LGA used to be a 2 hour flight. Now it's often 2.5 hours. (Reminds me of a story a friend told me about a flight from ORD to one of the DC-area airports. They were in danger of missing the flight curfew, so the pilot hauled and got them there in something far less than 2 hours. Just goes to show that where there's a will, there's a way...)
Reminds me of when I used to fly London-Rome fairly often. BA had a depature time 10 minutes before AZ, but an arrival time 10 minutes after! I always had a mental image of a stereotypical Italian pilot/driver blazing over the Alps at maximum speed!
#24
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Our local news ran a teaser stating:
"7 on your side will show you what luxury you will have to do without the next time you fly."
It turned out to be the pillow story.
The last time I flew MIA - SFo there were only pillows on every other seat, so maybe they started early.
Peace!
"7 on your side will show you what luxury you will have to do without the next time you fly."
It turned out to be the pillow story.
The last time I flew MIA - SFo there were only pillows on every other seat, so maybe they started early.
Peace!
#25
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Originally Posted by mickwrites
TANGO'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE
In fact, in September, American jumped into the number three position in DOT rankings for on-time arrivals. American edged out Continental by .1 percent. This 1/10 of a percent means four to five more flights are arriving on time each day. The last time American finished in the top 3 DOT rankings was March of 2003. American's September ranking shows American's highest on-time arrival percentage since October 2003 (88.2 percent and a fourth place finish).
In fact, in September, American jumped into the number three position in DOT rankings for on-time arrivals. American edged out Continental by .1 percent. This 1/10 of a percent means four to five more flights are arriving on time each day. The last time American finished in the top 3 DOT rankings was March of 2003. American's September ranking shows American's highest on-time arrival percentage since October 2003 (88.2 percent and a fourth place finish).
#26
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They could combine this with a marketing gimmick.
"Your flights will be on time or you get a free can of soda or a $20 voucher".
Doesn't mean all flights in time and you may have to jump through hoops to get the can of soda or the time-limited, restricted voucher (for which you will have to pay $10 to ticket). Most will lose the vouchers. But it spreads the impression that they are on time.
Last week when I flew, I was surprised at the emphasis on on time departure from more than one pilot in their announcements. Clearly some training notes have gone out ahead to prepare the staff for this.
"Your flights will be on time or you get a free can of soda or a $20 voucher".
Doesn't mean all flights in time and you may have to jump through hoops to get the can of soda or the time-limited, restricted voucher (for which you will have to pay $10 to ticket). Most will lose the vouchers. But it spreads the impression that they are on time.
Last week when I flew, I was surprised at the emphasis on on time departure from more than one pilot in their announcements. Clearly some training notes have gone out ahead to prepare the staff for this.
#27
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Originally Posted by venk
Clearly some training notes have gone out ahead to prepare the staff for this.
#28
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American Airlines 'Tangos' To Better On-Time Record
FORT WORTH, Texas -- An airline's on-time record is on of the biggest factors passengers consider when buying a ticket. American Airlines, based in Fort Worth, moved to third place among the top 12 carriers in the Department of Transportation rankings of on-time arrivals. The airline hit the mark 86 percent of the time.
Now, the nation's largest carrier has taken measures to improve its ranking. Under a new plan, called Tango, AA employees from the cockpit to the control tower to the ground crew work feverishly to ensure a prompt arrival at a designated gate.
"Each airline will tell you that one of the top priorities for their customers is to get to the final destination on time," Mike McKanna, of American Airlines, said.
The task is daunting.
"Right now, we have over 500-odd flights departing daily, and by the Christmas season, we're going to have more," Ian Austin, of American Airlines, said.
Tango, which has the potential of affecting 50 flights per day, involves a real-time Web site that tracks flights that are on the verge of arriving late.
"When an airplane lands here, the captain will notify our traffic agents by declaring Tango," McKanna said.
Tango flights are those that land three minutes before to eight minutes after the scheduled arrival time.
That alert sends AA employees scrambling to give the flight top priority. Tower personnel, ground crews, baggage handlers and gate agents work to bring in the borderline flight, get the passengers off the plane and on to their next stop. Moving the flight through faster also allows the subsequent flight from that gate to depart earlier.
"It's somewhat of an orchestration of a chess game in trying to get airplanes to and from the gates," McKanna said. "It's all about coordination and, again, everybody needs to step up to the plate. To this point, our employees have done a great job."
AA employees have an added incentive to get flights moving faster than simply job satisfaction. The airline also awards cash bonuses for Tango's success.
"I do love the challenge because it helps me to keep people on their toes," Austin said.
FORT WORTH, Texas -- An airline's on-time record is on of the biggest factors passengers consider when buying a ticket. American Airlines, based in Fort Worth, moved to third place among the top 12 carriers in the Department of Transportation rankings of on-time arrivals. The airline hit the mark 86 percent of the time.
Now, the nation's largest carrier has taken measures to improve its ranking. Under a new plan, called Tango, AA employees from the cockpit to the control tower to the ground crew work feverishly to ensure a prompt arrival at a designated gate.
"Each airline will tell you that one of the top priorities for their customers is to get to the final destination on time," Mike McKanna, of American Airlines, said.
The task is daunting.
"Right now, we have over 500-odd flights departing daily, and by the Christmas season, we're going to have more," Ian Austin, of American Airlines, said.
Tango, which has the potential of affecting 50 flights per day, involves a real-time Web site that tracks flights that are on the verge of arriving late.
"When an airplane lands here, the captain will notify our traffic agents by declaring Tango," McKanna said.
Tango flights are those that land three minutes before to eight minutes after the scheduled arrival time.
That alert sends AA employees scrambling to give the flight top priority. Tower personnel, ground crews, baggage handlers and gate agents work to bring in the borderline flight, get the passengers off the plane and on to their next stop. Moving the flight through faster also allows the subsequent flight from that gate to depart earlier.
"It's somewhat of an orchestration of a chess game in trying to get airplanes to and from the gates," McKanna said. "It's all about coordination and, again, everybody needs to step up to the plate. To this point, our employees have done a great job."
AA employees have an added incentive to get flights moving faster than simply job satisfaction. The airline also awards cash bonuses for Tango's success.
"I do love the challenge because it helps me to keep people on their toes," Austin said.
#29
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Zzzzz... what's the next big news out of AA going to be: "AA employees rewarded for treating pax with common courtesy and respect?"
#30
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"How to Lie with Statistics" rears its ugly head yet again in the great corporate world. Obviously, TANGO does not improve the overall on-time performance of the airline. It only appears that way because of the yes or no aspect of the A+14 on-time arrival system. The FAA would do a lot better simply publishing the average number of minutes late (or early) of all flights. Then, this nonsensical game playing would be meaningless.
Last edited by JerryFF; Nov 17, 2004 at 11:50 pm