Pope Francis to Fly AA charter WAS (ADW)-JFK, JFK-PHL, PHL-CIA

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Pope Francis Flying AA9420 Chartered 772 WAS-JFK-PHL-CIA

The Pope flies in a normal commercial airliner chartered for his flights. Normally the outbound airline is Alitalia, the return an airline selected as much as possible to be the national or "flag" carrier of the country returning from.

On this trip, an Alitalia Airbus A330-202 (EI-EJG, c/n 1123, "Raffaello Sanzio" (painter of late Renaissance Popes) was used FCO-HAV-HOG-SCU-ADW, an American Airlines Boeing 777-223ER will supply the onward/return aircraft (probably selected because it has the first class Flagship Suite for the overnight flight) for ADW-JFK-PHL-FCO, with a USMC helicopter providing JFK-JRB-JFK service.

The AA aircraft used, at least WAS/ADW-JFK-PHL, is Boeing 777-223ER N776AN (c/n 29582) a pre-CIP 77A. The flight number AA9420 is being used throughout. See tracking here.

Francis is to be accompanied by approximately thirty staff in his seguito, typically consisting of "the Cardinal Secretary of State, Pietro Parolin; one or two other cardinals and bishops; ~10 priests, most of them officials of the Secretariat of State; and ~20 laity, most employees of the Vatican Press Office as well as plainclothes agents of the Vatican security service and the Swiss Guard."

The passengers and crew will number about 110 during this trip. The Pope and his seguito take up F and C. The accompanying ~70 journalists pay the cost of the charter by paying for their fares, and sit in Economy class. The seventy reporters must fly the entire trip, FCO-HAV-HOG-SCU-ADW-JFK-PHL-FCO are said to be paying $5,500 each, $385,000 total. (From cruxnow.com); only the Pope and select company will do the portion of the JFK-JRB-JFK portion of the trip which is being conducted by USMC helicopters.

Though he rode a Fiat into the city of Washington, according to Business Journal International Limousine Service will be providing transportation for His Holiness and his entourage in all U.S. three cities.

Though "goody bags" are no longer handed out, it is said the members of the VAMP, Vatican press corps, do get to keep the Papal seat headers covers used for the charter flights.


Papal emblem seat head rest cover

Pope Francis' flight schedule

Saturday, September 19, 2015
10:35 a.m. Pope Francis departs FCO AZ A330-202 EI-EJB to HAV
3:51 pm.m. Papal aircraft lands at HAV / José Martí international airport
Monday, September 21, 2015
8 a.m. Departure by air for Holguin, Cuba.
9.20 a.m. Arrival at HOG / Holguin Frank País International Airport
4.40p.m. Departure by air for Santiago de Cuba.
5.30 p.m. Arrival at SCU / Santiago de Cuba’s Antonio Maceo International Airport
Tuesday, September 22, 2015
12:30 p.m. Leaves SCU / Santiago de Cuba aboard Alitalia charter A330-202
4 p.m. Pope Francis arrives in D.C. at Joint Base Andrews at 4 p.m.
Thursday, September 24, 2015 AA9420
4 p.m Departure for New York from Joint Base Andrews (D.C.)
5 p.m. Arrival at JFK / John F. Kennedy International Airport (New York)
Saturday, September 26, 2015 AA9420
8:40 a.m Departure for PHL / Philadelphia from JFK / John F. Kennedy International Airport
9:30 a.m Arrival in Atlantic Aviation hangar at PHL / Philadelphia International Airport Philadelphia
8 p.m Departure for return to Rome CIA
Sunday, September 27, 2015 AA9420
09:57 a.m. Arrival CIA / Ciampino international airport
All times local time; subject to change

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Old Sep 23, 15, 7:53 pm
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Interesting tidbit, an AA 772 will take Pope Francis on his US tour and back to Europe. Wonder how far in advance his upgrade clears?
His upgrade is pre-ordained, is it not?.? ^^^

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Does the papal bull travel in the cargo hold, or is it considered an emotional support animal?


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Holy Cow!!! The Papal bull reference.....best thing I've read online in ages!
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Old Sep 23, 15, 8:02 pm
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His upgrade is pre-ordained, is it not?.? ^^^


Holy Cow!!! The Papal bull reference.....best thing I've read online in ages!
It is, isn't it? (Both lines above.)

I do believe the Papal bull can ride in the hold with the media bull; as there's no WiFi on the 772 pre-CIP, no bull can be released until the aircraft lands in Rome anyway.

Noticeably absent: the "Popemobile".
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This pope is supposedly about humility and frugality.. would have been awesome to see him take the train from WAS to NYP and then to PHL (or rather WAS to PHL to NYP would be better)... flying a 777 from Andrews to JFK, then JFK to PHL is kind of a waste...
There are security considerations to be considered for as well. And it is logistically easier to charter out a plane than to charter out an entire train. Nevermind the pope has a tight schedule but sure lets criticize him for taking a plane and not spending 8 hours going by train.
8 hours to get from NYC to PHL or WAS to NYC by train? Huh? The Amtrak regionals (ie the slow train) take 1:15-1:30 PHL-NYP, depending on the train.

I assume security and congestion issues are the main reason he's flying rather than using any ground transport. It would be harder to secure a ground route, and the security precautions would probably mess up traffic (whether rail or road) for everyone else something awful.

I think that chartering a train is rather routine; sports teams do it reasonably often on the Northeast Corridor. If the train made more sense for the pope, it certainly could have been arranged.
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Old Sep 23, 15, 9:15 pm
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I think that chartering a train is rather routine; sports teams do it reasonably often on the Northeast Corridor. If the train made more sense for the pope, it certainly could have been arranged.
My guess is that security (along the route/tracks) would have been a problem.
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8 hours to get from NYC to PHL or WAS to NYC by train? Huh? The Amtrak regionals (ie the slow train) take 1:15-1:30 PHL-NYP, depending on the train.

I assume security and congestion issues are the main reason he's flying rather than using any ground transport. It would be harder to secure a ground route, and the security precautions would probably mess up traffic (whether rail or road) for everyone else something awful.

I think that chartering a train is rather routine; sports teams do it reasonably often on the Northeast Corridor. If the train made more sense for the pope, it certainly could have been arranged.
Obviously i was embellishing a little with the 8 hour estimate

But sports teams have the luxury of time, the pope doesn't. The vast majority of NFL teams also charter flights from commercial airlines as well. If he really wanted to be extravagant he could have chartered a private jet instead. Nobody here is going to be calling an AA 772 a luxurious travel option.
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Pope Francis to Fly AA charter WAS (AAFB)-JFK, JFK-PHL, PHL-FCO

http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/09/18/fun-facts-and-more-about-life-aboard-the-papal-plane/

Another interesting article. I think the only correction to make is the FAA call signal was officially changed to Shepherd One as indicated.

AA has a planning team working on this for quite some time so everything from the meal service to hosting the reporters (who pay the plane ticket price) has been carefully considered. I know someone is waiting to ask the miles question for the paid tickets.

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Old Sep 23, 15, 10:34 pm
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Originally Posted by rasheed View Post
http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/09/18/fun-facts-and-more-about-life-aboard-the-papal-plane/

Another interesting article. I think the only correction to make is the FAA call signal was officially changed to Shepherd One as indicated.

AA has a planning team working on this for quite some time so everything from the meal service to hosting the reporters (who pay the plane ticket price) has been carefully considered. I know someone is waiting to ask the miles question for the paid tickets.

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Old Sep 23, 15, 10:38 pm
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The church is not a democracy; rather, the pope rules by fiat.
The pope is king.
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I heard he is flying AA to protest the other two for moral reasons, because they have gone revenue and are stealing the FFM from their poor customers to fatten their wallets. He is not down with that kind of sin.
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I remember a flyertalk post or news article that the prior Pope had the entire F section of the plane removed and replaced with just one seat. Anyone have a link?
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There are security considerations to be considered for as well. And it is logistically easier to charter out a plane than to charter out an entire train. Nevermind the pope has a tight schedule but sure lets criticize him for taking a plane and not spending 8 hours going by train.
The ground security considerations are indeed probably the driving factor but this pope seems to want to portray himself as the pope of the people (see the Fiat 500L) and champion of the environment. If his schedule had been WAS PHL NYC his longest train ride would have been 1.5 hours. Probably quicker door to door than flying. I'm sure if they had approached Amtrak they could have chartered an accela.

But logistically the plane is probably easier for everyone involved.

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I assume security and congestion issues are the main reason he's flying rather than using any ground transport. It would be harder to secure a ground route, and the security precautions would probably mess up traffic (whether rail or road) for everyone else something awful.
My guess is that security (along the route/tracks) would have been a problem.
I agree.

Originally Posted by Col Ronson View Post
Obviously i was embellishing a little with the 8 hour estimate

But sports teams have the luxury of time, the pope doesn't. The vast majority of NFL teams also charter flights from commercial airlines as well. If he really wanted to be extravagant he could have chartered a private jet instead.
Sports teams do not have the luxury of time at all (except in the NFL). Baseball teams are typically starting their trips after a game ends at around 10 PM (so probably 11 or midnight by the time they pack up and get to the airport, even without TSA hassles), and they want to be in bed as soon as possible. And teams in all four major league sports in the US/Canada certainly have chartered flights. When they take the train, it's because it's faster and more comfortable, not because it's cheaper or they have the luxury of time or they don't have access to a charter plane. But, of course, they don't have the security concerns along the route that the pope does.

Nobody here is going to be calling an AA 772 a luxurious travel option.
I think a chartered AA 772 with about 100 passengers for WAS-NYC-PHL is an awfully luxurious travel option for such a short flight, actually, even for the press corps back in Y. If AA flew such a route commercially, FTers would be salivating!
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Originally Posted by rasheed View Post
http://www.cruxnow.com/church/2015/09/18/fun-facts-and-more-about-life-aboard-the-papal-plane/

Another interesting article. I think the only correction to make is the FAA call signal was officially changed to Shepherd One as indicated.

AA has a planning team working on this for quite some time so everything from the meal service to hosting the reporters (who pay the plane ticket price) has been carefully considered. I know someone is waiting to ask the miles question for the paid tickets.

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Being it's not an AA marketed flight, miles should not be expected. Now would AA IT mess up and post them??? Totally different question.
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Old Sep 24, 15, 8:35 am
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Being it's not an AA marketed flight, miles should not be expected. Now would AA IT mess up and post them??? Totally different question.
Yep. As an ad hoc charter, I'd expect the passengers on "Shepherd One" earn as many miles as I did on my AA flight HAV-MIA. None. But apparently they do get to keep the headrest covers with the Papal seal. (Are the passengers referred to as "sheep"? Are they numbered?)
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I'm just waiting for the post about him losing his seat at the last minute due to an air marshal.
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