Oops! AA flys AA31 LAX-HNL 31 Aug '15 with Airbus 321S, not ETOPS 321H
Sep 12, 2015, 11:23 am
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You should try BA's all business class service between London City and JFK, operated by an A318. It's a great little plane with excellent service. Only 32 seats on board, all lie flat of course.
Sep 12, 2015, 11:23 am
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Great Circle Mapper picked up on this.
10's of 1000's are now aware of this tiny little mistake: "Ooops"
Oops: American Accidentally Flies Wrong Plane To Hawaii
Good thing Lucky loves AA or he might have been a little more critical!
"Apparently they realized the mistake while enroute, though they were past the “point of no return.” I can’t even begin to imagine what kind of a “ruh roh” moment that must have been."
Sep 12, 2015, 11:31 am
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My friend who is an American Airlines first officer says that the flight from LAX to Honolulu had no passengers and was an internal flight. This potentially makes it worse because a check ride captain would have been the one commanding this type of flight and he is the one who would make the miss on it being non ETOPS.
Sep 12, 2015, 12:18 pm
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My friend who is an American Airlines first officer says that the flight from LAX to Honolulu had no passengers and was an internal flight. This potentially makes it worse because a check ride captain would have been the one commanding this type of flight and he is the one who would make the miss on it being non ETOPS.
(The return flight certainly was, as it was a ferry flight. The return AA62 (same reg number) was also cancelled.)Maybe this was the official ball control?
Sep 12, 2015, 12:20 pm
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My friend who is an American Airlines first officer says that the flight from LAX to Honolulu had no passengers and was an internal flight. This potentially makes it worse because a check ride captain would have been the one commanding this type of flight and he is the one who would make the miss on it being non ETOPS.
Sep 12, 2015, 3:43 pm
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My friend who is an American Airlines first officer says that the flight from LAX to Honolulu had no passengers and was an internal flight. This potentially makes it worse because a check ride captain would have been the one commanding this type of flight and he is the one who would make the miss on it being non ETOPS.
The flight from LAX to HNL was a revenue flight, with passengers aboard. The return flight, from HNL to LAX, was cancelled and the plane was ferried empty back to LAX.
Sep 12, 2015, 6:56 pm
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Sep 12, 2015, 8:11 pm
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SAS one-ups the relatively short hop of the BA stock-market connector with its 8.5-hour (outbound) / 9.25 hour (inbound) oil-industry connector. SVG-IAH, 4,839 miles nonstop, on a 44-seat all-J 737.
Sep 12, 2015, 8:22 pm
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Google Flights claims this is an angle flat route, but surely that must be a mistake?
Sep 13, 2015, 4:55 am
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This almost sounds like union propaganda more than anything.
I have friends that are dispatchers on both the US and AA sides and while they say they are constantly busy not one of them has ever said they are overworked or had safety compromised. They are the type of people that would refuse to work if they had to compromise safety.
I have friends that are dispatchers on both the US and AA sides and while they say they are constantly busy not one of them has ever said they are overworked or had safety compromised. They are the type of people that would refuse to work if they had to compromise safety.
Sep 13, 2015, 7:53 am
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I love the conspiracy theories here. There is no union propaganda. It was a series of events, with a full merger in process, a brand new aircraft type operating this route, two hurricanes in the pacific between mainland and the U.S., a medical emergency, training, a very large software glitch that didn't flag the aircraft as non ETOPS (which, contrary to all the conspiracists here - is a slightly larger fire suppression bottle and oxygen tanks - which wouldn't be an issue of AA just outfitted the fleet with these but wanted to save a few bucks), and a few other issues. It was a mistake. It was self reported. There is no lawsuit. There is no fine. Mountains out of mole hills.
Sep 13, 2015, 10:01 am
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I love the conspiracy theories here. There is no union propaganda. It was a series of events, with a full merger in process, a brand new aircraft type operating this route, two hurricanes in the pacific between mainland and the U.S., a medical emergency, training, a very large software glitch that didn't flag the aircraft as non ETOPS (which, contrary to all the conspiracists here - is a slightly larger fire suppression bottle and oxygen tanks - which wouldn't be an issue of AA just outfitted the fleet with these but wanted to save a few bucks), and a few other issues. It was a mistake. It was self reported. There is no lawsuit. There is no fine. Mountains out of mole hills.
Sep 13, 2015, 10:10 am
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I love the conspiracy theories here. There is no union propaganda. It was a series of events, with a full merger in process, a brand new aircraft type operating this route, two hurricanes in the pacific between mainland and the U.S., a medical emergency, training, a very large software glitch that didn't flag the aircraft as non ETOPS (which, contrary to all the conspiracists here - is a slightly larger fire suppression bottle and oxygen tanks - which wouldn't be an issue of AA just outfitted the fleet with these but wanted to save a few bucks), and a few other issues. It was a mistake. It was self reported. There is no lawsuit. There is no fine. Mountains out of mole hills.
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Sep 13, 2015, 10:16 am
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Lots of hyperbole here.
ETOPS rules are there for a reason, and need to be followed. Nobody's arguing otherwise. Substantive sanctions from the FAA and corrective action from AA will help ensure these rules continue to be followed by all airlines.
However, in this specific case, the risk was minimal. The buy-on-board food posed a far greater danger to passengers' lives.
Both of these can be true. No need to fall into "this is nothing" vs. "this is the worst safety violation imaginable" camps
ETOPS rules are there for a reason, and need to be followed. Nobody's arguing otherwise. Substantive sanctions from the FAA and corrective action from AA will help ensure these rules continue to be followed by all airlines.
However, in this specific case, the risk was minimal. The buy-on-board food posed a far greater danger to passengers' lives.
Both of these can be true. No need to fall into "this is nothing" vs. "this is the worst safety violation imaginable" camps