Originally Posted by smilinganddialing
(Post 23256365)
Yes, of course I know that UA won't be issuing awards on CX. I was comparing an all UA metal ORD - HKG - SIN award using UA miles to an all CX metal ORD - HKG - SIN award using AA miles.
Rather awful of CX to be imposing these additional charges. We'd all be better off if you could use a few more miles instead of having to pay YQ because you could then save all the additional taxes that YQ triggers. Oh well. Another devaluation. Now with this $6 "Fare" (each way), the (US) and (XF) tax items are imposed. For a round trip with HKG connection both ways, that adds up $51.5 comparing to the previous. That's higher than NRT connection with JL, which is $31 for r/t. It's not that huge, but on the principle, passing HKG security fee as "Fare" does seem controversial. |
I also find the pricing odd: xxx-xxx-LAX-SYD-CNS, AA award in F on AA/QF has total taxes and fees of $47.20USD. Return CNS-BNE-SYD-LAX-xxx-xxx (1 extra intra-OZ segment) runs $134.10USD. AA tells me it is Australian departure fees. Really? Wow - and everybody complains about the U.K. APD....
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UK APD is a lot higher than Australian Departure taxes. The equivalent in APD for such a distance ( e.g. LHR-SYD ) would be GBP184 approx $333 ). There are other taxes such as PSC to add for a london dept
All taxes coming in at $134 is not even close to that. $35 of the taxes will be US taxes |
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 23256956)
UK APD is a lot higher than Australian Departure taxes. The equivalent in APD for such a distance ( e.g. LHR-SYD ) would be GBP184 approx $333 ). There are other taxes such as PSC to add for a london dept
All taxes coming in at $134 is not even close to that. $35 of the taxes will be US taxes |
Originally Posted by Madison Guy
(Post 23257019)
Thanks for the info. Just sorta took me by surprise that ex-OZ is like 2.5-3x the taxes/fees of ex-US. (Used to the U.K. jab I guess...)
The airport charges are quite high in Oz and going CNS-BNE-SYD-US does help ramp up the taxes. If you were just doing SYD-LAX the taxes would be lower ( approx $112) A breakdown on CNS-LAX would be of the order Australian Passenger Movement Charge (AU) $51.60 Australian Domestic Passenger Service Charge (QR) $18.70 Australian Domestic Passenger Service Charge (QR) $9.60 Australian Safety & Security Surcharge (WG) $5.20 Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) $25.90 USDA APHIS Fee (XA) $5.00 US Immigration Fee (XY) $7.00 US Customs Fee (YC) $5.50 US International Arrival Tax (US) $17.50 As a comparison , LHR-LAX taxes for non stop in business class is $346.83 |
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 23257053)
Well... thats only really because the US taxes are not charged when departing the US. If the US didn't have the peculiarity of not charging them on free tickets, it makes the comparison quite unfair
The airport charges are quite high in Oz and going CNS-BNE-SYD-US does help ramp up the taxes. If you were just doing SYD-LAX the taxes would be lower ( approx $112) A breakdown on CNS-LAX would be of the order Australian Passenger Movement Charge (AU) $51.60 Australian Domestic Passenger Service Charge (QR) $18.70 Australian Domestic Passenger Service Charge (QR) $9.60 Australian Safety & Security Surcharge (WG) $5.20 Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) $25.90 USDA APHIS Fee (XA) $5.00 US Immigration Fee (XY) $7.00 US Customs Fee (YC) $5.50 US International Arrival Tax (US) $17.50 As a comparison , LHR-LAX taxes for non stop in business class is $346.83 AA's web breakdown is similar, though not the same, as yours: Base fare, taxes and carrier-imposed fees Adult fare, taxes and carrier-imposed fees Base fare $0.00 USD Per person PASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE $51.60 USD AUSTRALIA PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE $28.30 USD AUSTRALIA SAFETY AND SECURITY CHARGE $5.20 USD AUSTRALIA PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE $25.90 USD AUSTRALIA US APHIS USER FEE $5.00 USD UNITED STATES US FEDERAL INSPECTION FEE $7.00 USD UNITED STATES US SECURITY FEE $5.60 USD UNITED STATES US CUSTOMS USER FEE $5.50 USD UNITED STATES Total Adult taxes and carrier-imposed fees $134.10 USD Per person |
The AU taxes look the same to me , other than merging the 2 QRs together 1x $28.30 vs $18.70 and $9.60 :)
The US taxes I would expect to be different since you are continuing on from LAX. It does look like the International Arrival Tax has not been charged; perhaps that is another curio that doesn't get charged on free tickets |
Originally Posted by Dave Noble
(Post 23257319)
The AU taxes look the same to me , other than merging the 2 QRs together 1x $28.30 vs $18.70 and $9.60 :)
The US taxes I would expect to be different since you are continuing on from LAX. It does look like the International Arrival Tax has not been charged; perhaps that is another curio that doesn't get charged on free tickets Your posts (as always) have been most helpful Did you get those numbers using some publically-available tool, or just adding known current fees? |
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