Wholly within Brazil AA Partner Y awards 6k or 10k miles?
Disclaimer: I tried searching the forum, but couldn't find any recent information about this.
I just put two wholly within Brazil award tickets on hold (GIG-FOR, REC-GRU) with JJ (TAM). I was under the impression that they should be 6k miles each (they fall under the Wholly within Select Central/South American Countries section of the chart: https://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/...rtnerChart.jsp ). The agent says her own chart lists Argentina and Chile, but not Brazil in the 'special countries' category. Is the aa.com chart plain outdated or is this agent error*? *NB: I would normally be inclined to say this is agent error, but this particular agent was very helfpul earlier in the day with a much more complex itinerary. |
Call back.
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Originally Posted by Austinrunner
(Post 22512727)
Call back.
Does anyone know the award code for the 6k level within Brazil? |
I've always paid 10K miles. I didn't even know there was a 6K level.
[Edited to add:] I don't see the 6K level on the award chart either. [Edited to add:] OK, I see it now. Very interesting. |
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Is it possible that the 6K intra-Brazil award shown on the chart dates back to when Gol was an AA partner? When Gol ceased to be an AA partner, perhaps the 6K intra-Brazil award disappeared (even though the Partner chart was not updated). Whether the 6K intra-Brazil award will return now that TAM is an AA partner (or when TAM joins oneworld at the end of the month) remains to be seen. |
Originally Posted by vasantn
(Post 22513124)
[Edited to add:] OK, I see it now. Very interesting.
I wonder if this is outdated information within aa.com from when GOL was still a partner within Brazil. In any case, I called AA web services and the agent asked if I had talked to an 'International' agent. When I said I had, she said the agent must then be right. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by guv1976
(Post 22513207)
Is it possible that the 6K intra-Brazil award shown on the chart dates back to when Gol was an AA partner?
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Originally Posted by emcat
Originally Posted by guv1976
(Post 22513207)
Is it possible that the 6K intra-Brazil award shown on the chart dates back to when Gol was an AA partner?
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Could be (and almost certainly is) and unpublished limitation to the wholly within award for Brazil to be on certain carrier(s) only, if it even is still current.
Example for this being the wholly within Australia/New Zealand award where it's listed as 10/17.5/22.5 but completely unlisted on the chart is that that's only if you use QF, the rate doesn't apply if you use LA. So, probably those who speculate that only certain carrier(s) are/were allowed at that rate are probably correct. |
AA Brazil-internal rewards have always been 10k one-way. There was a time when they were 25k round-trip, before the one-way awards. Using TAM or Smiles miles is a different matter. There is much more availability, and prices vary widely, from rougly 3k to 30k, or even more. I have received awards within Peru on LAN from AA for 6k. The 'oneworld and other airline award' chart has Brazil listed together with Peru, but it has simply never worked that way. Maybe there's a change coming.
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Originally Posted by ajnaro
(Post 22513305)
AA Brazil-internal rewards have always been 10k one-way. There was a time when they were 25k round-trip, before the one-way awards. Using TAM or Smiles miles is a different matter. There is much more availability, and prices vary widely, from rougly 3k to 30k, or even more. I have received awards within Peru on LAN from AA for 6k. The 'oneworld and other airline award' chart has Brazil listed together with Peru, but it has simply never worked that way. Maybe there's a change coming.
EDIT TO ADD: much as it would be nice to hope it's in anticipation of something new, I'm told wholly within Brazil went from being listed at 10K to being listed at 6K in early 2012. |
Originally Posted by vasantn
(Post 22513124)
I've always paid 10K miles. I didn't even know there was a 6K level.
[Edited to add:] I don't see the 6K level on the award chart either. [Edited to add:] OK, I see it now. Very interesting. |
If it becomes 6K it will be a really good use of miles. 10K for PER-AKL is also a great deal.
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The award chart looks pretty clear to me.
Brazil is listed as one of the included countries in "Wholly Within Select Central/South America Countries" designated by AA for the 6K award. There is NOTHING on the chart to suggest it should not be 6K. I would argue that point with AA if I wanted to take the flights. AA is responsible for the chart contents. |
Originally Posted by mvoight
(Post 22517513)
The award chart looks pretty clear to me.
Brazil is listed as one of the included countries in "Wholly Within Select Central/South America Countries" designated by AA for the 6K award. There is NOTHING on the chart to suggest it should not be 6K. I would argue that point with AA if I wanted to take the flights. AA is responsible for the chart contents. No one can contend that this award chart "tells the whole story" as we know if tells about 10% of the story-- literally hundreds of rules that further restrict. It's like US to Southwest Pacific-- all it says is "transpacific only" (or dozens of other examples) but we know that there are severe limits on that, etc. N.America -> Africa and even better example-- look at all the ways you -can't- get there on one award! But, regardless, I do agree that AA should provide and explanation as to what carrier(s) can be used to get the 6k rate, for sure. |
Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 22518175)
you do not get the wholly within rate if you fly LA.
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Originally Posted by UA Fan
(Post 22518278)
How much is that?
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 22518175)
But, regardless, I do agree that AA should provide and explanation as to what carrier(s) can be used to get the 6k rate, for sure. |
Originally Posted by UA Fan
(Post 22516835)
If it becomes 6K it will be a really good use of miles. 10K for PER-AKL is also a great deal.
(even 10k miles would be a good use...) |
Originally Posted by AA_EXP09
(Post 22520392)
6k vs a 440 real fare in some cases
(even 10k miles would be a good use...) Slightly OT, for those going to the World Cup, JJ has a ton of availability in F from the US and back to Sao Paulo. Beats paying $2.5k or 60k for economy on AA. |
Originally Posted by emcat
(Post 22525065)
I ended up buying the tickets at the 10k mile level. For the price those hops were going during the World Cup, I'll easily be able to buy a BOS-DFW-ANC MR, earn more EQMs, pay less, and get to both hike Alaska and watchsome World Cup matches. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
Slightly OT, for those going to the World Cup, JJ has a ton of availability in F from the US and back to Sao Paulo. Beats paying $2.5k or 60k for economy on AA. |
Can't quite explain it, but the initial search reveals no sign of a 6K wholly-within Brazil economy award-- it's 10K, award code TP10P.
Interestingly, the wholly within Brazil award in business -does- comport with the award chart, 17K miles, award code UP17X5J-- which -is- less than 22.5K you'd get if you simply connect S.America2 -> S.America 2 on the chart So, unless something else turns up-- and it 'aint looking that way-- the published AAward chart is in error, no such thing as a 6K wholly with Brazil award, it's 10K in economy and 17.5 in business. |
Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 22526631)
Can't quite explain it, but the initial search reveals no sign of a 6K wholly-within Brazil economy award-- it's 10K, award code TP10P.
Interestingly, the wholly within Brazil award in business -does- comport with the award chart, 17K miles, award code UP17X5J-- which -is- less than 22.5K you'd get if you simply connect S.America2 -> S.America 2 on the chart So, unless something else turns up-- and it 'aint looking that way-- the published AAward chart is in error, no such thing as a 6K wholly with Brazil award, it's 10K in economy and 17.5 in business. |
Originally Posted by 3544quebec
(Post 22527604)
And as far as I am aware there is no Business Class within Brazil - there may perhaps be GRU-GIG flights that are the continuation of international flights where Business class can be booked on the through flight XXX-GRU-GIG but I have never (since the demise of Varig) seen a domestic flight being offered stand alone in Business Class
Regardless, wholly within brazil in economy is 10K |
Originally Posted by emcat
(Post 22525065)
I ended up buying the tickets at the 10k mile level. For the price those hops were going during the World Cup, I'll easily be able to buy a BOS-DFW-ANC MR, earn more EQMs, pay less, and get to both hike Alaska and watchsome World Cup matches. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
Slightly OT, for those going to the World Cup, JJ has a ton of availability in F from the US and back to Sao Paulo. Beats paying $2.5k or 60k for economy on AA. |
Originally Posted by AA_EXP09
(Post 22529076)
though JJ's F product isn't the best...
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Originally Posted by emcat
(Post 22525065)
Beats paying $2.5k or 60k for economy on AA.
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 22526631)
it's 10K, award code TP10P.
TP10P W/IN BR ECON OW TKT So it looks like TP10P is indeed labeled as wholly within Brazil in the system, as you mention. |
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Originally Posted by emcat
Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 22526631)
it's 10K, award code TP10P.
TP10P W/IN BR ECON OW TKT So it looks like TP10P is indeed labeled as wholly within Brazil in the system, as you mention. |
Originally Posted by guv1976
(Post 22529499)
(Why have a wholly-within-Brazil Economy award if it costs the same as an intra-South America 2 award?)
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Originally Posted by JonNYC
(Post 22526631)
...it's 10K, award code TP10P.
Originally Posted by emcat
(Post 22529435)
Just looked at the transaction description for the award redemption:
TP10P W/IN BR ECON OW TKT So it looks like TP10P is indeed labeled as wholly within Brazil in the system, as you mention. |
Looks like the award chart has finally been updated. Brazil was moved from the "wholly within select Central and South American countries" to "wholly within select countries" for which the economy redemption level is 10k miles.
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Originally Posted by emcat
(Post 22643637)
Looks like the award chart has finally been updated. Brazil was moved from the "wholly within select Central and South American countries" to "wholly within select countries" for which the economy redemption level is 10k miles.
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