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SJCSuzy Sep 21, 01 8:20 pm

International Flight Cancellations
 
Well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news but todays sked wire listed the following flights cancelled:

eff 09/29/01 SJC-TPE indefinately
eff 09/30/01 DFW-LGW (flt 58) 10/31/01
eff 09/30/01 ORD-BHX 03/31/02
eff 10/01/01 TPE-SJC indefinately
eff 10/01/01 ARN-ORD indefinately
eff 10/01/01 LGW-DFW (flt 79) 11/01/01
eff 10/01/01 BHX-ORD 04/01/01
eff 11/01/01 DFW-LGW (flt 78) 03/31/02
eff 11/02/01 LGW-DFW (flt 51) 04/01/01

Domestic list is supposed to come out tomorrow. These are on top of the previously announced cancellations.

Looks like alot more layoffs in SJC than we anticipated. We'll know more numbers some time next week. Thanks for all your support.

Suzy

[This message has been edited by SJCSuzy (edited 09-21-2001).]

freakflyer Sep 21, 01 9:11 pm

So much for the TPE mileage run!

And I truly feel sorry for all of the American employees who have now lost their job due to the stupid actions of the 19 angry terrorists. This is a classy airline.

ff

dkerr Sep 21, 01 9:39 pm

Thank you for posting this news... I was booked on AA78 in December, C class using VIPOWs. I called tonight and was able to move to AA50 and fortunately C inventory was still available. If I had not acted so fast I may have lost the business class seats.

One problem however... we're travelling with infant and had booked bulkhead, center section, so we had bassenet fittings. Well someone else has this already on AA50. Is there a "special services" group in AA that I can call and make a request... like have them contact the passengers currently seated in bulkhead to see if they would be willing to move? I know that if I received such a call I would happily move to accomodate a family (unless I was already in need of the bassenet of course). Right now we have bulkhead on one side, but that means that one of us has to sit elsewhere... and row immediately behind/accross aisle is also occupied. So, does AA have anyone I can contact to see if some seat shuffling can be done?

Thanks
David


bp888 Sep 21, 01 10:56 pm

I wonder what happens to my upcoming trip next week. I'm OK SJC-TPE because it is before 9/29 but the return is after the TPE-SJC route is cancelled. I will call the Plat desk tomorrow and let everybody know how they're going to reaccommodate me. I have another similar trip for November which is now up in the air.

MADBOB Sep 21, 01 10:59 pm

Are you sure about 79? I just called the Plt desk and was told it is not cancelled yet. We are booked on Oct 4th and was told we cannot be rebooked until it shows cancelled in AA's computer. I do not want to loose the milage upgrade.

Bob

hillrider Sep 22, 01 2:04 am

It looks like that ORD-MXP is gone too -- availability has been zeroed out from 31OCT onwards. Gulp.

Hagbard Viking Sep 22, 01 2:54 am

What is wrong with ARN-ORD? Most times I've flown that route they have been pretty full, and not that long ago my wife inquired about upgrading and was told that ARN-ORD is often full in business class, so upgrading may be difficult. Also, quite recently talking to reservations they told me a nonstop ARN-DFW was being considered in addition to ARN-ORD. Now they're axing ARN altogether. Any insights?

TrvlGuru Sep 22, 01 8:37 am

What is going on with ARN?

Delta got rid of their JFK-ARN too!

Shareholder Sep 22, 01 8:50 am

I think you only have to look at loads on international flights to between non-major hubs in the first week or "back to business" flying to realize why AA -- and other carriers -- are trimming such routes. My SJC-TPE-SJC flights on Tuesday and Thursday were virtually empty: a couple of passengers in F, 19 going and 9 returning in J, and probably 50 or 60 in the back on both flights. The fall off is too great to maintain these and similar routes. [Associated costs with international services are very high, including crew costs at destinations, ground services support, etc.] These cities can be served by concentrating on service through major hubs, then carrying on using alliance partner carriers. And most passengers originating from those cities are now choosing their own national carriers rather than US ones, another off shoot of targeting US carriers.

Hagbard Viking Sep 22, 01 9:17 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Shareholder:
I think you only have to look at loads on international flights to between non-major hubs in the first week or "back to business" flying to realize why AA -- and other carriers -- are trimming such routes.
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Yes, but is the "first week of back to business" really representative of what things will be like in the longer run?


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These cities can be served by concentrating on service through major hubs, then carrying on using alliance partner carriers.
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Yes, they can be served by connecting service, but I have a feeling many of the high-revenue passengers are more concerned with routing and scheduling convenience than with price and ff miles, so question is: will you be able to compete successfully for the most profitable passengers with that strategy? Unless you dump prices significantly or hand out tons of bonus miles, neither of which is likely to help your business.

ccengct Sep 22, 01 10:50 am

My guess is that AA began to feel ambivalent about ARN when UA and SK got friendly.

dkerr Sep 22, 01 1:14 pm

MADBOB.... Yes,looks like 79 is gone. While it still shows up in the CRS, availability is zero'd out on all classes. This is first step towards cancellation (prevents new bookings).

The response you got from Plt desk is similar to the response I got on Flt 78 when I called. I pressed the agent and he called for help, when he came back on the line he acknowledged that it looked like the flight was being cancelled and we worked on rebooking.

Hagbard Viking Sep 22, 01 5:00 pm


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Shareholder:
These cities can be served by concentrating on service through major hubs, then carrying on using alliance partner carriers.</font>
Another comment on this:

For codeshares to be an attractive alternative to flights on AA metal, identical elite benefits must be offered. I'm talking about lounge access, upgrades using miles (or VIPOW's), priority boarding, preferred seating, status miles and elite bonuses, flight paging, etc. All that needs to be the same for codeshares as when flying AA metal. Some, but not all, are already in place for codeshares on oneworld partners. A few also for codeshares outside oneworld.

Are there any plans to implement this consistently for all codeshares, inside and outside of oneworld?

MRTC/B would be nice too, but is not realistic. All others are, I would think, since they mostly depend on someone making administrative decisions rather than reconfiguration of the aircraft.

Plato90s Sep 22, 01 6:27 pm

On the 9-21 SJC-TPE flight, one of the flight attendants told a bunch of us FT'ers that the route was being cancelled, and that she got the word on that day. A very sad time, especially since part of the crew for that route will be laid off.

Personally, it's also a problem since I have another trip booked for Oct. 19th. I guess AA will end up routing me through NRT.

ChiFlyer Sep 22, 01 6:42 pm

Thanks Hillrider - I just checked online and the MXP-ORD flight I was scheduled on in November is gone. Although AA has not yet contacted me, I appreciate the members of this board who help each other out!


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