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doc Mar 27, 01 6:57 am

American Air Pilots List Demands
Pilots at AMR Corp.'s (AMR) American Airlines are seeking pay and retirement protections as part of the planned acquisition of Trans World Airlines Inc. (TWAIQ), but say the company has dragged its feet on talks even though the deal is near closing.
The Allied Pilots Association union, representing American's 11,000 pilots, has made a number of proposals to insure that none of its pilots lose ground on pay or other benefits by being bumped down in the pecking order as senior TWA pilots join the company. IZ&src=202§ion=news&news_id=reu-69247&date=&alias=/alias/money/cm/nw

American officials have said the union does not have power to
block the $742 million purchase of TWA. However, the pilots could
create problems, as they did when American bought tiny Reno Air in
late 1998.

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freeupgrade Mar 27, 01 8:28 pm

Give me a break - in my opinion its the FA's who deserve more cash, perks, etc.

No offense against the hard working pilots, its just that I feel FAs are long overdue some more cash and benefits.

PAUL PALMER Mar 28, 01 5:29 am

I agree!

doc Mar 28, 01 6:31 am

It'd sure be nice if everyone was more happy!


Tensions between American Airlines and its pilots union heated up as the AMR Corp. unit refused to broaden negotiations over integration of Trans World Airlines into financial items such as pension benefits and early-retirement programs.

The pilots union, the Allied Pilots Association, had included those items in a costly list of demands as conditions for ensuring labor peace after American acquires TWA.

doc Mar 28, 01 3:36 pm

American Airlines officials say they won't bargain until this summer over several demands made by its pilots union in connection with American's purchase of Trans World Airlines.

The Allied Pilots Association, which represents American's 11,000 pilots, has demanded improvements in job security, pensions and other contract provisions in exchange for their support of American's $742 million purchase of TWA.

Talks between the union and American on the union's possible support of the purchase broke off last week and are expected to resume next week.


Leaders of the Allied Pilots Association, Association of Professional Flight Attendants and Transport Workers Union have jointly signed the following letter to AMR (NYSE: AMR - news) Chief Donald Carty:

March 28, 2001

Mr. Donald J. Carty
Chairman and CEO
American Airlines, Inc.
P.O. Box 619616, M.D. 5624
DFW Airport, TX 75261-9616

Dear Mr. Carty:

As the Presidents of the three unions on the property, we wish to inform you that we cannot support American's purchase of TWA assets. We do not come to this conclusion easily or quickly. On the contrary, we reach it only after careful consideration of the long-term best interests of all past, present and future members of the American Airlines community. The employee turmoil that typically accompanies airline mergers and acquisitions -- in particular, the difficulty of integrating workforces -- could have a seriously negative effect on the future well being of American Airlines.

Given that inevitable impact of an acquisition, it is imperative that management deals fairly with and recognizes the contributions of its employee groups. As you know, our unions have worked exceedingly hard with American's management to make our airline the industry leader it is today, but we have yet to receive the assurances from management concerning the benefits, job protections and career expectations that our members deserve. At the same time, American has committed itself to provide significant enhancements to TWA employees.

The employee groups we represent remain committed to building the world's leading airline. That end, however, can only be achieved if all facets of the organization participate in the creation of that airline and truly share in the benefits of that achievement. Thus far, that has not been the case. For this reason, and with a keen sense of disappointment, we cannot support this transaction.


Captain John E. Darrah John Ward James C. Little
President President Vice President and
Allied Pilots Association of Director of Air Transport
Association Professional Flight Division

cc: TWU Board of Directors
APFA Board of Directors
APA Board of Directors
AMR Board of Directors

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0524 Mar 28, 01 6:17 pm

I implore AMR and union management to sit down, roll up their sleeves, employ good will, and promptly work out an agreement that keeps the planes flying for us passengers who pay ALL of the bills -- especially union members' salaries/benefits and management's profits.

doc May 26, 01 10:41 am

The National Mediation Board, which oversees labor relations in the airline and railroad industries, on May 23 offered binding arbitration to both management and the Association of Professional Flight Attendants. Management accepted the offer, but if the APFA rejects the offer, the NMB would declare a 30-day cooling-off period, after which the flight attendants could go on strike without a contract agreement. The APFA membership has already authorized a strike. While it is rare for unions to accept binding arbitration, it is still possible the two sides could reach an agreement during the cooling off period. President Bush would also be authorized to order the flight attendants to stay on the job while a presidential emergency board considers the matter once the cooling off period expires.

The airline's contract with Allied Pilots Association, which represents its pilots, becomes open for negotiation of a new deal later this summer.

"Not by any means is it all behind us," said Ray Neidl, analyst with ABN Amro. "It's going to be a constant spiral."

He said the talks that worry him the most involve pilots at American Airlines, a unit of AMR Corp. (AMR: Research, Estimates), which could start in August.

"They're going to want to top both Delta and United contracts and American needs relief over use of regional jets," Neidl said.

But before American even gets to that contract, they face a possible strike by its flight attendants, who are members of the Association of Professional Flight Attendants.

freeupgrade May 26, 01 7:46 pm

When do PLT and EXP pax get to "list their demands"?

Honestly, I am really getting fed up with the horrible morale at AA. I really wish mgmt. and the unions would try and remember that there are innocent people in all this.

Example: As if the Coach FA today wasn't rude enough, upon deplaning today, some AA ramp worker was loudly b---ng (sorry, I am trying to be polite here) that "Carty had voted himself a pay raise" , and he was "*** sick of the co.". Well, honestly, in my opinion, just quit then.

I confronted him and told him I was PLT and I was tired of the morale there these days - he just sneered.

It's rough out there!

Am I the only one who has noticed this lately?

doc Jun 25, 01 2:51 pm



...American also faces negotiations with its pilots this summer, when the union and the company begin to work out a new contract...

...Pilots want to match or beat large pay raises given to pilots at United Airlines last year. That raises the prospect of a standoff or even labor disruptions.


White House threatens to intervene in airline dispute


Statement of American Airlines in Response to White House Announcement Of Presidential Emergency Board Appointment

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sdix Jun 25, 01 3:01 pm


We get to vote and list our demands daily. We control their operating income.

If Plats and EXP's went on "strike" tomorrow then my guess is they'd start listening to us.

Not that we could (or would want to ) organize, what would a day without revenue from us be?

maple Jun 25, 01 3:45 pm

Too many animals, Dr Dolittle?

doc Jul 19, 01 2:22 pm

Allied Pilots Association to Present Opening Contract Proposal: Large Group of Uniformed Pilots to Hand-Deliver on 24th
Who: Allied Pilots Association (APA), collective bargaining agent for the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines.
(BUSINESS WIRE)-- What: APA will present its opening proposal for Section 6
negotiations to American Airlines' management. A large

contingent of AA pilots in uniform will personally

hand-deliver the proposal by walking it across the street to

American Airlines' corporate headquarters.

When: Tuesday, July 24, 2001, beginning at 9:30 AM Central.



doc Jul 26, 01 7:38 am

American Airlines came up with a novel contract proposal to its pilots yesterday. The carier offered pay raises of 15 percent to 22 percent on August 31 provided the pilots agree not to strike and to accept binding arbitration if the two sides can't agree on other issues in 120 days.

Both sides, which have fought each other over negotiating tables and in courtrooms, pledged to make American's pilots the highest-paid in the industry.

"It's the largest carrier in the world. We should be compensated accordingly," said union president, John Darrah.

doc Aug 1, 01 10:21 am

The arbitration would be modeled after the process used in Major League Baseball: The airline and the Allied Pilots Association would each submit a final offer, and arbitrators would pick one or the other instead of a compromise.

American officials said they wanted to avoid drawn-out negotiations that have resulted in three near-strikes against airlines this year.

clbish Aug 1, 01 10:49 am

In my opion. The pilots are overpaid babies. They know the airline is going to cave into their demands. The airline can't just bring in new pilots to fly the planes. The airline would bring in new FA's if they threatend to strike as often as the pilots do. If things are not going their way, then they get "sick", and force flights to be canceled. You do remember what happened a few years ago.

Companies merging as one is a fact of life. It sound like what tha AA pilots want is for all of the TWA piolts to be put behind all the AA pilots in the senority of things. Why don't they just add say 5 years (or someother number) to the AA pilots "senority status", then merge the TWA piolts in at their regular level. That would mean a TWA pilot with 20 years would be the same senority level as an AA pilot with only 15 years (15 + 5).

Just my opinion!!

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