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Why don't AAdvantage passengers get miles for Trans-Atlantic Flights on BA?

Why don't AAdvantage passengers get miles for Trans-Atlantic Flights on BA?

 
Old Jun 25, 01, 9:28 pm
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Why don't AAdvantage passengers get miles for Trans-Atlantic Flights on BA?

Anyone have an answer to this, for me flying CLT-LGW on BA is easier tha CLT/GSP-DFW-LGW-DFW-CLT/GSP or GSP/CLT-ORD-LHR-ORD-GSP/CLT(though I know one doesn't get as many miles).
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Old Jun 25, 01, 10:06 pm
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It's the British and US governments that prevent them from codesharing and integrating the FF programs. They are concerned about US to UK dominance. There have been a lot of posts that deal with the issue better than I can though. I think this is the most recent:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/003981.html
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Old Jun 26, 01, 3:47 pm
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Sorry nothing to do with codeshare and all to do with revenue. AA will not givveyou Ba miles across the pond either. They want you to use their services, not that of the direct competition.
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Old Jun 26, 01, 10:19 pm
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If you're really looking for AA miles, you have three sane options. One is GSP-ORD-LHR all on AA (don't get sucked into backtracking to DFW). The second is to drive to RDU and take AA's LGW nonstop from there. The third is to take a JI commuter flight from GSP to RDU, then AA to LGW.
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Old Jun 27, 01, 8:10 am
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But backtracking to DFW earns about 1,100 more flight miles each way than ORD!
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Old Jun 27, 01, 8:18 am
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It is OneWorld everywhere else except across the Atlantic. On routes in which both airlines compete, you can not accrue miles. Interestingly enough too, I found out that I could not earn miles London-Tokyo as AA flies to Tokyo as well.

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Old Jun 27, 01, 8:45 am
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worldbanker,

Whoever told you that you cannot earn miles on the BA from LHR - NRT in AAdvantage is wrong. Miles are available on all BA flights except transatlantic regardless if AA flies there or not.

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Old Jun 27, 01, 10:06 am
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Does the direction in which you fly to Tokyo matter? If you cross the Atlantic, perhaps it counts as a trans-Atlantic flight (hence no miles) even though the destination is not in North America. Did you go that way, or across Europe and Asia?

(I don't know, just wondering out loud.)

With all respect to Paul P., I've read in many reliable places that regulatory concerns over the joint AA/BA market share between the U.K. and North America is the main reason why they must preserve some semblance of competition in that market. There are several other markets where two OW members compete, including most routes linking members' home countries, where mileage is not restricted this way.
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Old Jun 27, 01, 12:49 pm
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Paul --

It's *not* (directly) a revenue thing. BA/AA have applied for gov't approval to allow FF accumulation on each others flights over the Atlantic. The US and UK goverments said no. They have also applied (separately) for permission to codeshare, which has also been turned down. Both airlines would like to offer both benefits.

The way in which it could be considered a revenue thing is secondary. In order to get gov't approval to earn miles and/or codeshare, they would have to give up slots in LHR, which would be a revnue thing.

However, it's not a matter of BA and AA wanting to keep their own passengers. Both airlines deeply want to offer shared FF benefits over the atlantic. It's just an issue of do they want it enough to give up how many slots at LHR.
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Old Jun 27, 01, 4:04 pm
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2 Many Miles,

The application for accruing FF miles to be given to each other members is new to me. According to what I have read and understand, there is no prior regulatory approval needed in the US or UK for AA and/or BA to grant each other miles in each others programs. It is possible that you are referring to some broader partnerships (sharing passenger information, ticket pricing, etc. based on FF programs). To the best of my knowledge mutual non-accrual on trans-Atlantic flts is a voluntary decision of the airlines (AA and BA).

The code share issue is distinct and that has always been subject to regulatory approvals.

My information may be stale and yours more recent. Some of my data comes from talking to analysts closely following these airlines and a few other airlines impacted by this (CO/NW/DL, etc).

[This message has been edited by clouds2cloud (edited 06-27-2001).]
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Old Jun 27, 01, 4:52 pm
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Even on the routes across the Atlantic where they do not compete e.g Barbados-Gatwick, you cannot get AAdvantage miles when flying BA
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Old Jun 27, 01, 6:51 pm
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If it's a BA flight and it crosses the Atlantic ocean, you can't get AA miles for it. Doesn't matter if it's to South America or anything.

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Old Jun 28, 01, 4:02 am
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Dear Both. Respect received and reciprocated. What you read is definitely for public consumption, the truth is that BA (AA I cannot tell as I have not discussed the matter with them) senior managment have told me different. This may , at some point change (my speculation not theirs), but don't hold your breath. As you are aware the fares charged out of London to the North Americas are, in the premium cabins twice if not three times what is charged in the European markets, and BA are not going to watch that walk away and reward it. So because they will not allow BA miles on AA transatlantic the reciprocal arrangement exists. If British Airways really wanted it , they'd get it believe me. Eddington was in Blair's office as much as his own. Now we will see some changes, but whether they will still down the OneWorld path or not is anybody's guess
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Old Jun 28, 01, 9:52 am
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Paul --

This is great information, and fascinating to me.

I have a friend who's an anti-trust lawyer, and he told me that the DOT/DOJ response to teh AA/BA immunity request was a specific prohibition on code-shares, schedule and pricing coordination, and (yes, this was separately laid out in the ruling) against ANY form of transatlantic cooperation.

But, he could always have been wrong, or misread it.
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