View Poll Results: My opinion of the announced AA - US merger is:
This is the best of all possible worlds; great idea!
33
3.93%
This portends a stronger airline, with some changes for all
192
22.88%
I am neutral - pros and cons for all
199
23.72%
I think this is a somewhat bad idea with some real challenges
226
26.94%
I am completely opposed to this merger; terrible idea!
189
22.53%
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AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated)
#4591
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: SEA
Posts: 3,955
Read under "Rookies Together" - Horton's idea for the merger - so he says.
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/c...-the-storm.ece
Airline execs are underpaid IMO - my boss makes much more and only has to manage 300 employees - and NO unions. DP has been very open with US employees about how he is compensated - He definitely deserves what he has been awarded by the board, if not more.
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/c...-the-storm.ece
Airline execs are underpaid IMO - my boss makes much more and only has to manage 300 employees - and NO unions. DP has been very open with US employees about how he is compensated - He definitely deserves what he has been awarded by the board, if not more.
#4592
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: NYC LAX RDU
Programs: US-Plt;Concierge key; American AAirpass; Delta Silver;Starwood - Platinum; Amex Cent
Posts: 710
Parker's compensation is largely based on financial success - the airlines have to be run by someone and Doug Parker could make a lot more money going into PE and having 5 employees. Tough business is an understatement - I do think Parker/Horton/Anderson are passionate about the business which helps - no so sure about Smiseck - I think he just kinda landed on the throne and would be just as happy running a fast food chain.
#4593
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: SJC/SFO & ORD
Programs: LT Gold/BA Executive Club/AS MP/Marriott
Posts: 1,646
Read under "Rookies Together" - Horton's idea for the merger - so he says.
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/c...-the-storm.ece
Airline execs are underpaid IMO - my boss makes much more and only has to manage 300 employees - and NO unions. DP has been very open with US employees about how he is compensated - He definitely deserves what he has been awarded by the board, if not more.
http://www.dallasnews.com/business/c...-the-storm.ece
Airline execs are underpaid IMO - my boss makes much more and only has to manage 300 employees - and NO unions. DP has been very open with US employees about how he is compensated - He definitely deserves what he has been awarded by the board, if not more.
"But it won’t be Horton at the top. And that has to sting mightily. "
Also, regarding him not being at the top:
"Horton refuses to go there." He sidesteps that and talks about "team".
The article also states how Parker went behind the back of Horton.
The article does support one of LAXJFKesq's comment of:
"Horton said he initiated talks with Parker about a possible merger in September 2011, shortly after American announced its blockbuster airplane deal for 460 Boeing and Airbus jets, with options for 465 more."
Parker's compensation is largely based on financial success - the airlines have to be run by someone and Doug Parker could make a lot more money going into PE and having 5 employees. Tough business is an understatement - I do think Parker/Horton/Anderson are passionate about the business which helps - no so sure about Smiseck - I think he just kinda landed on the throne and would be just as happy running a fast food chain.
Also, part of US profitabilty was due to below-industry average wages.
I can't wait to see how all of this turns out the next 2-3 years.
Like I said, "pass the popcorn please".
#4594
Suspended
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 9,916
Thanks for the link! It seems a bit of "revisionism" to me however. Also from the article:
"But it won’t be Horton at the top. And that has to sting mightily. "
Also, regarding him not being at the top:
"Horton refuses to go there." He sidesteps that and talks about "team".
The article also states how Parker went behind the back of Horton.
The article does support one of LAXJFKesq's comment of:
"Horton said he initiated talks with Parker about a possible merger in September 2011, shortly after American announced its blockbuster airplane deal for 460 Boeing and Airbus jets, with options for 465 more."
"But it won’t be Horton at the top. And that has to sting mightily. "
Also, regarding him not being at the top:
"Horton refuses to go there." He sidesteps that and talks about "team".
The article also states how Parker went behind the back of Horton.
The article does support one of LAXJFKesq's comment of:
"Horton said he initiated talks with Parker about a possible merger in September 2011, shortly after American announced its blockbuster airplane deal for 460 Boeing and Airbus jets, with options for 465 more."
It seems to say TH approached DP before entering 11 -- and thought DP was willing to wait until post - 11 --- and that DP blindsided TH - as TH thought they had a gentleman's agreement.
While that may have happened, it certainly doesn't make a lot of sense -- why would DP wait on the sidelines - after having been a dumped date multiple times before? What would DP have told his BoD if AMR had like the others jilted him? Why would DP wait for AMR to emerge from 11 when it would be strong instead of making the move when it was weak?
All in all - a very interesting piece -- however - it seems like a real stretch that Parker would have some type of gentleman's agreement to "stand down" during 11.
I do think the piece also underscores where Horton is tone-deaf to the Unions, continuing to refer to his "good-friend" AArpey. While Horton may be a really good friend and stand up guy - his only way to get the Unions on his side would be been throwing his 'good friend' under the bus.
#4595
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2006
Programs: AAdvantage PP
Posts: 13,913
In the end Parker outfoxed Horton. He took the lessons from failed DL and UA and used them well. No whether he can deliver time will tell.
#4596
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: PIT
Posts: 759
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Some routes may be moved/reduced, like some of the European schedule from CLT and PHL. Neither city produces very much European O&D compared to BOS, NYC or MIA (or CHI, LAX, SFO, etc) but if new AA does not expand some more to Asia, it will not succeed long-term.
Some routes may be moved/reduced, like some of the European schedule from CLT and PHL. Neither city produces very much European O&D compared to BOS, NYC or MIA (or CHI, LAX, SFO, etc) but if new AA does not expand some more to Asia, it will not succeed long-term.
#4597
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 5,825
As flights are cut, airfares go up, at least at first
http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...lines/3650281/
"In the past eight years, a period when the airline industry experienced a flurry of mergers, escalating fuel costs and a global recession, many airports that experienced deep cuts in service have seen steep spikes in fares.
A USA TODAY Network analysis of the country's top 100 airports in the 48 contiguous states found that on average, those that lost at least a quarter of their domestic seats since the start of 2005 saw nearly twice the average fare increase over the past eight years. The analysis is based on inflation-adjusted fare data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and airline schedule data from OAG Aviation Worldwide."
There is an illuminating chart included with the article:
"FARES AT 100 LARGE U.S. AIRPORTS
First-quarter 2013 average domestic fares, the change since first-quarter 2005 after adjusting for inflation, and the change in available seats on domestic flights for the same period:"
"In the past eight years, a period when the airline industry experienced a flurry of mergers, escalating fuel costs and a global recession, many airports that experienced deep cuts in service have seen steep spikes in fares.
A USA TODAY Network analysis of the country's top 100 airports in the 48 contiguous states found that on average, those that lost at least a quarter of their domestic seats since the start of 2005 saw nearly twice the average fare increase over the past eight years. The analysis is based on inflation-adjusted fare data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and airline schedule data from OAG Aviation Worldwide."
There is an illuminating chart included with the article:
"FARES AT 100 LARGE U.S. AIRPORTS
First-quarter 2013 average domestic fares, the change since first-quarter 2005 after adjusting for inflation, and the change in available seats on domestic flights for the same period:"
#4598
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: NYC LAX RDU
Programs: US-Plt;Concierge key; American AAirpass; Delta Silver;Starwood - Platinum; Amex Cent
Posts: 710
Agree - It's not DP's company to have an gentlemen s agreement with - it's own by the shareholders and his fiduciary responsibility is to them - I would say that he has served their interests well - I just wish I had bought their stock back when it traded for $5.
It seems to say TH approached DP before entering 11 -- and thought DP was willing to wait until post - 11 --- and that DP blindsided TH - as TH thought they had a gentleman's agreement.
While that may have happened, it certainly doesn't make a lot of sense -- why would DP wait on the sidelines - after having been a dumped date multiple times before? What would DP have told his BoD if AMR had like the others jilted him? Why would DP wait for AMR to emerge from 11 when it would be strong instead of making the move when it was weak?
All in all - a very interesting piece -- however - it seems like a real stretch that Parker would have some type of gentleman's agreement to "stand down" during 11.
I do think the piece also underscores where Horton is tone-deaf to the Unions, continuing to refer to his "good-friend" AArpey. While Horton may be a really good friend and stand up guy - his only way to get the Unions on his side would be been throwing his 'good friend' under the bus.
While that may have happened, it certainly doesn't make a lot of sense -- why would DP wait on the sidelines - after having been a dumped date multiple times before? What would DP have told his BoD if AMR had like the others jilted him? Why would DP wait for AMR to emerge from 11 when it would be strong instead of making the move when it was weak?
All in all - a very interesting piece -- however - it seems like a real stretch that Parker would have some type of gentleman's agreement to "stand down" during 11.
I do think the piece also underscores where Horton is tone-deaf to the Unions, continuing to refer to his "good-friend" AArpey. While Horton may be a really good friend and stand up guy - his only way to get the Unions on his side would be been throwing his 'good friend' under the bus.
#4599
Join Date: Mar 2006
Programs: AA EXP, UA 1K, F9 Elite, Hyatt Diamond, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Gold
Posts: 1,319
LCC stock is not for the faint of heart. Yeah hindsight is great and I DID buy it back at $6/share, watched as DP played around with shareholders every couple months. The price would go up, and DP would dump $200mil worth of more shares on the market, driving the price down. It's a mess of a stock, and I held on till $10, but that took almost 3 years. DP is a smart businessman, but in no way looking out for common shareholder interests. It's all about institutional investors.
#4600
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: RDU
Programs: HHonors Gold
Posts: 103
Judge: I’ll rule as quickly as I can in American Airlines-US Airways case, maybe today
#4601
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: los angeles, calif.
Programs: Alaska Airlines Gold MVP
Posts: 7,170
Annual passengers:
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Chicago - 120,000
Miami - 140,000
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Philadelphia - 60,000
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#4602
Moderator: Manufactured Spending
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 6,580
We will have Judge Lane's ruling on the private antitrust complaint before Thanksgiving...
Judge: I’ll rule as quickly as I can in American Airlines-US Airways case, maybe today
Judge: I’ll rule as quickly as I can in American Airlines-US Airways case, maybe today
#4603
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: RDU
Programs: HHonors Gold
Posts: 103
Yes, exactly! I don't understand why Alioto is not asking a judge in California for the Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) but he was in Judge Lane's court today asking for a TRO.
#4604
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: LAS HNL
Programs: DL DM, 5.7 MM, UA 3.1 MM, MARRIOTT PLATINUM, AVIS FIRST, Amex Black Card
Posts: 4,479
Try judge Judy or Judge Joseph Albert Wapner (born November 15, 1919), a retired American judge and former television judge. He is the first star of the ongoing reality courtroom series, The People's Court.
#4605
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: SJC/SFO & ORD
Programs: LT Gold/BA Executive Club/AS MP/Marriott
Posts: 1,646
It seems to say TH approached DP before entering 11 -- and thought DP was willing to wait until post - 11 --- and that DP blindsided TH - as TH thought they had a gentleman's agreement.
While that may have happened, it certainly doesn't make a lot of sense -- why would DP wait on the sidelines - after having been a dumped date multiple times before? What would DP have told his BoD if AMR had like the others jilted him? Why would DP wait for AMR to emerge from 11 when it would be strong instead of making the move when it was weak?
All in all - a very interesting piece -- however - it seems like a real stretch that Parker would have some type of gentleman's agreement to "stand down" during 11.
I do think the piece also underscores where Horton is tone-deaf to the Unions, continuing to refer to his "good-friend" AArpey. While Horton may be a really good friend and stand up guy - his only way to get the Unions on his side would be been throwing his 'good friend' under the bus.
While that may have happened, it certainly doesn't make a lot of sense -- why would DP wait on the sidelines - after having been a dumped date multiple times before? What would DP have told his BoD if AMR had like the others jilted him? Why would DP wait for AMR to emerge from 11 when it would be strong instead of making the move when it was weak?
All in all - a very interesting piece -- however - it seems like a real stretch that Parker would have some type of gentleman's agreement to "stand down" during 11.
I do think the piece also underscores where Horton is tone-deaf to the Unions, continuing to refer to his "good-friend" AArpey. While Horton may be a really good friend and stand up guy - his only way to get the Unions on his side would be been throwing his 'good friend' under the bus.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...lines/3650281/
"A USA TODAY Network analysis of the country's top 100 airports in the 48 contiguous states found that on average, those that lost at least a quarter of their domestic seats since the start of 2005 saw nearly twice the average fare increase over the past eight years. The analysis is based on inflation-adjusted fare data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and airline schedule data from OAG Aviation Worldwide."
"A USA TODAY Network analysis of the country's top 100 airports in the 48 contiguous states found that on average, those that lost at least a quarter of their domestic seats since the start of 2005 saw nearly twice the average fare increase over the past eight years. The analysis is based on inflation-adjusted fare data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and airline schedule data from OAG Aviation Worldwide."
Thanks DOJ..spineless jerks.
Now lets see how does going forward. IMHO, he won't be as effective as promised or is claiming.