View Poll Results: My opinion of the announced AA - US merger is:
This is the best of all possible worlds; great idea!
33
3.93%
This portends a stronger airline, with some changes for all
192
22.88%
I am neutral - pros and cons for all
199
23.72%
I think this is a somewhat bad idea with some real challenges
226
26.94%
I am completely opposed to this merger; terrible idea!
189
22.53%
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AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated)
Feb 13, 2013, 2:25 pm
#16
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the pilots are idiots for thinking this will mean greener pastures for them. (full disclosure, my father is a retired AA pilot and thinks the union has made horrible decisions)
Feb 13, 2013, 2:29 pm
#17
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I'm not convinced that the combined airline will ever report the kinds of profits that DL has shown the last three years.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:31 pm
#18
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You have to hand it to Parker, he took the lesson of his failed DL attempt. Go for the employees and creditors, find a few key allies that are comfortable in approaching management, have a lot of patience (the NDA was signed all the way back at the end of August) and you will likely get your deal.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:31 pm
#19
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Downers Grove, IL
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Originally Posted by mrowl:20241244
the pilots are idiots for thinking this will mean greener pastures for them. (full disclosure, my father is a retired AA pilot and thinks the union has made horrible decisions)
Feb 13, 2013, 2:35 pm
#20
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I want Horton to stay!
I dont want the Merger!
I want Horton to stay!
I dont want the Merger!
Feb 13, 2013, 2:38 pm
#21
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: ORD
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Feb 13, 2013, 2:43 pm
#23
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Now whether consolidation was the answer could be argued. The problem is that this industry has operated with over capacity for years made even more problematic when fuel prices took off. You can't fly DFW/PDX eight times a day using 757s with $69 fares and ever hope to stay in business.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:44 pm
#24
Join Date: Nov 2009
Programs: AA PLT, 60K "old miles"
Posts: 188
Dissonance, dissonance...
http://business-news.thestreet.com/d...1840494?page=2
Frank Lorenzo agrees with the pilots that the merger is a good deal. Strange bedfellows indeed.
Also from the above referenced article ' "You didn't have to go to UT (University of Texas) to realize that it didn't make business sense to buy a company with a lower cost structure and then raise all the employees to your standard," Lorenzo said. '
This thread has gotten a little stale, I think that's going to change.
http://business-news.thestreet.com/d...1840494?page=2
Frank Lorenzo agrees with the pilots that the merger is a good deal. Strange bedfellows indeed.
Also from the above referenced article ' "You didn't have to go to UT (University of Texas) to realize that it didn't make business sense to buy a company with a lower cost structure and then raise all the employees to your standard," Lorenzo said. '
This thread has gotten a little stale, I think that's going to change.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:45 pm
#25
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Boston-Atlanta Metropolitan Axis
Posts: 208
Sigh, I'd been betting against this happening and have credited all of my US flights so far this year to A3. Oh well, I welcome our new southwestern overlords and the ability to fly all over the east coast through PHL/CLT and earn AA miles.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:51 pm
#26
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: ORD
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Really this industry needed to change. Since deregulation its been nothing but a cycle of semi boom and big busts, some surviving the Chapter 11 process, some going down in flames.
Now whether consolidation was the answer could be argued. The problem is that this industry has operated with over capacity for years made even more problematic when fuel prices took off. You can't fly DFW/PDX eight times a day using 757s with $69 fares and ever hope to stay in business.
Now whether consolidation was the answer could be argued. The problem is that this industry has operated with over capacity for years made even more problematic when fuel prices took off. You can't fly DFW/PDX eight times a day using 757s with $69 fares and ever hope to stay in business.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:51 pm
#27
Join Date: May 2010
Programs: AA Pro;Ritz Carlton Ambassador;Hilton Silver: SPG Gold
Posts: 111
Can't believe AA is marrying the UGLY DUCKLING
Feb 13, 2013, 2:54 pm
#28
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Feb 13, 2013, 2:55 pm
#29
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: BOS
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We don't have to give up quite yet, sure everyone's dressed up, the music is playing and the processional is coming to an end, but the vows haven't been said and there's still a chance someone will object to the wedding rather than holding their peace. People do get left at the alter and they tend to resemble LCC.
Feb 13, 2013, 2:56 pm
#30
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In fairness to the pilots, Parker wooed them last April with promises of smaller concessions than Horton was demanding and true to his word, he recently agreed to give them raises that will be effective immediately upon exit from Ch 11. Those raises, of course, will reverse some of the cost-savings that prompted the AMR board to overrule Arpey and file for Ch 11 in the first place.
I'm not convinced that the combined airline will ever report the kinds of profits that DL has shown the last three years.
I'm not convinced that the combined airline will ever report the kinds of profits that DL has shown the last three years.