View Poll Results: My opinion of the announced AA - US merger is:
This is the best of all possible worlds; great idea!
33
3.93%
This portends a stronger airline, with some changes for all
192
22.88%
I am neutral - pros and cons for all
199
23.72%
I think this is a somewhat bad idea with some real challenges
226
26.94%
I am completely opposed to this merger; terrible idea!
189
22.53%
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AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement / DOJ Action Discussion (consolidated)
#181
In Memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Benicia CA
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold 75K, AA 3.8MM, UA 1.1MM, enjoying the retired life
Posts: 31,849
I hit a million miles on UA just before the merger. And with the merger saw that million mile status severely downgraded. I am about 25,000 miles from 2 million miles on AA, and lifetime, who knows. But probably not Platinum, or at least not second tier. Maybe third tier, next to worthless, or nothing.
If AA does match UA, when I do drop from EXP I'll just split my miles between the two of them. Not expecting that to happen for a few years, though.
Did US have a lifetime status tier(s)?
#182
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Downers Grove, IL
Programs: UA Mileage Plus, AA Advantage
Posts: 5,983
Originally Posted by GadgetFreak:20243257
Interesting merger factoid: the combined carrier will be a very strong #2 at LaGuardia, holdind roughly one-third of the airport's slots.
The combined airline will also zoom ahead of UA and be the largest airline at LAX (even without US, AA-UA are virtually tied for the largest as is).
AA will also obviously become the largest airline at PIT (PITLAX and PITLHR anyone?), but also once again the largest at RDU.
The combined airline will also zoom ahead of UA and be the largest airline at LAX (even without US, AA-UA are virtually tied for the largest as is).
AA will also obviously become the largest airline at PIT (PITLAX and PITLHR anyone?), but also once again the largest at RDU.
#183
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: San Diego, Ca
Programs: AA 2MM LT PLT; AS MVP Gold75k; HHonors Diamond; IHG PLT
Posts: 3,502
For those of you who are cautiously hopeful I wish I could share your optimism. But can anyone come up with an example of an airline merger that actually benefited the consumer? They always seem to claim to with the expanded route network and all that but from observing the DL/NW merger and suffering through the CO takeover of UA I just fail to see how this could in any way be good news for anyone who actually flies (excepting of course the possibility that one or both of the carriers would have just ceased to exist).
I would also like to believe that the expanded network will bring more award redemption opportunities - domestically and TATL. In the latter case, alternatives to connections in LHR on BA,, PHL instead of JFK. For Mexico, Central America and the Carribean, PHX becomes an alternative to DFW.
#184
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 2
I suspect a number of things will happen at the new AA under Parker's leadership, including the following:
1) Mixed fleets are here to stay. With an airline as large as the New American there will be little cost savings in rationalizing the mainline fleet under one manufacturer. I suspect with A350's and 787's coming down the pipeline.
2) Three-Classes of service internationally is likely to be eliminated to allow greater fleet flexibility.
3) AAdvantage will probably the surviving brand at the New American, but will probably be dominated by the best practices from the Dividend Miles Program.
4) Horton's domestic IFE will be the first thing on the chopping block as it probably costs more to install than generates in additional revenue.
5) Likely the AA A321 3-Class Premium service will go away in favor of a simpler 2-Class arrangement that can be supported by US's existing A321 fleet. Niche products are not necessarily Parker's greatest strengths and may be a huge source of expenditure for the existing AA.
1) Mixed fleets are here to stay. With an airline as large as the New American there will be little cost savings in rationalizing the mainline fleet under one manufacturer. I suspect with A350's and 787's coming down the pipeline.
2) Three-Classes of service internationally is likely to be eliminated to allow greater fleet flexibility.
3) AAdvantage will probably the surviving brand at the New American, but will probably be dominated by the best practices from the Dividend Miles Program.
4) Horton's domestic IFE will be the first thing on the chopping block as it probably costs more to install than generates in additional revenue.
5) Likely the AA A321 3-Class Premium service will go away in favor of a simpler 2-Class arrangement that can be supported by US's existing A321 fleet. Niche products are not necessarily Parker's greatest strengths and may be a huge source of expenditure for the existing AA.
#185
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: NYC
Programs: AA EXP, HH Diamond
Posts: 50
A partition has been installed at LAX gate 45 this evening. Chairs and monitors have been set up behind the curtain and the area has the feel of a remote press conference. Is something else going on at LAX or could this be merger announcement related?
#186
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Austin,TX (AUS)
Programs: AA, UA
Posts: 767
I'm not too sure about this. After the US Airways-America West merger, Parker discontinued all in flight entertainment on narrow-body flights, downgraded the first class product, tried to charge for all drinks (he backed off when competitors didn't match), and is experimenting with selling meals on Trans-Atlantic flights. Could he do the same with the new AA? I hope not. We shall see.
#187
Moderator, OneWorld
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: RAA RIP; AA ExEXP
Posts: 11,800
I for one am going to take the lemonade viewpoint, and I will look forward to traveling to AMS, BRU, MUC, and especially TLV on AA metal, hopefully without having to pay baksheesh to Willy.
#188
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: San Francisco, CA
Programs: AA (PPro/3MM/Admirals Club), AS, UA, Marriott (Gold), HHonors (Gold), Accor (Plat)
Posts: 2,602
No, loss of competition is not always bad. Sometimes it's exactly what's needed for an industry like the airline industry to allow it to survive. There is such a thing a destructive competition and the airline industry is famous for that. It's finally stabilizing to a point it can earn it's costs of capital.
Yes, it's oneworld, that's been known from the beginning that AA brand stays and it stays in oneworld.
Yes, it's oneworld, that's been known from the beginning that AA brand stays and it stays in oneworld.
Still, I'm worried. I'm a loyalist to AA. I feel they have generally treated me well (recent NYC blizzard notwithstanding). I rarely sit in the back and I don't pay anything extra to sit up front except for the occasional UK luxury tax. It's hard to imagine there won't be at least a few changes I don't like, and it's hard to imagine there won't be some operational days down the road that make me pull out what's left of my hair.
#189
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Austin,TX (AUS)
Programs: AA, UA
Posts: 767
I suspect a number of things will happen at the new AA under Parker's leadership, including the following:
1) Mixed fleets are here to stay. With an airline as large as the New American there will be little cost savings in rationalizing the mainline fleet under one manufacturer. I suspect with A350's and 787's coming down the pipeline.
2) Three-Classes of service internationally is likely to be eliminated to allow greater fleet flexibility.
3) AAdvantage will probably the surviving brand at the New American, but will probably be dominated by the best practices from the Dividend Miles Program.
4) Horton's domestic IFE will be the first thing on the chopping block as it probably costs more to install than generates in additional revenue.
5) Likely the AA A321 3-Class Premium service will go away in favor of a simpler 2-Class arrangement that can be supported by US's existing A321 fleet. Niche products are not necessarily Parker's greatest strengths and may be a huge source of expenditure for the existing AA.
1) Mixed fleets are here to stay. With an airline as large as the New American there will be little cost savings in rationalizing the mainline fleet under one manufacturer. I suspect with A350's and 787's coming down the pipeline.
2) Three-Classes of service internationally is likely to be eliminated to allow greater fleet flexibility.
3) AAdvantage will probably the surviving brand at the New American, but will probably be dominated by the best practices from the Dividend Miles Program.
4) Horton's domestic IFE will be the first thing on the chopping block as it probably costs more to install than generates in additional revenue.
5) Likely the AA A321 3-Class Premium service will go away in favor of a simpler 2-Class arrangement that can be supported by US's existing A321 fleet. Niche products are not necessarily Parker's greatest strengths and may be a huge source of expenditure for the existing AA.
7) Hubs: DFW, MIA, PHL, CLT, ORD, PHX, and to a lesser extent DCA.
8) JFK and LAX to be restructured to focus on O/D traffic.
#190
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Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: AA Gold AAdvantage Elite, Rapids Reward
Posts: 38,320
I'm not too sure about this. After the US Airways-America West merger, Parker discontinued all in flight entertainment on narrow-body flights, downgraded the first class product, tried to charge for all drinks (he backed off when competitors didn't match), and is experimenting with selling meals on Trans-Atlantic flights. Could he do the same with the new AA? I hope not. We shall see.
#191
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: AA Lifetime PLT , BA Silver , BD RIP , HH Gold, SPG / Marriott PLT , EF Subscriber
Posts: 6,702
#192
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: ORD
Programs: AA EXP,2MM, DL Gold,Starwood PLT
Posts: 3,876
I suspect a number of things will happen at the new AA under Parker's leadership, including the following:
1) Mixed fleets are here to stay. With an airline as large as the New American there will be little cost savings in rationalizing the mainline fleet under one manufacturer. I suspect with A350's and 787's coming down the pipeline.
2) Three-Classes of service internationally is likely to be eliminated to allow greater fleet flexibility.
3) AAdvantage will probably the surviving brand at the New American, but will probably be dominated by the best practices from the Dividend Miles Program.
4) Horton's domestic IFE will be the first thing on the chopping block as it probably costs more to install than generates in additional revenue.
5) Likely the AA A321 3-Class Premium service will go away in favor of a simpler 2-Class arrangement that can be supported by US's existing A321 fleet. Niche products are not necessarily Parker's greatest strengths and may be a huge source of expenditure for the existing AA.
1) Mixed fleets are here to stay. With an airline as large as the New American there will be little cost savings in rationalizing the mainline fleet under one manufacturer. I suspect with A350's and 787's coming down the pipeline.
2) Three-Classes of service internationally is likely to be eliminated to allow greater fleet flexibility.
3) AAdvantage will probably the surviving brand at the New American, but will probably be dominated by the best practices from the Dividend Miles Program.
4) Horton's domestic IFE will be the first thing on the chopping block as it probably costs more to install than generates in additional revenue.
5) Likely the AA A321 3-Class Premium service will go away in favor of a simpler 2-Class arrangement that can be supported by US's existing A321 fleet. Niche products are not necessarily Parker's greatest strengths and may be a huge source of expenditure for the existing AA.
#193
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: CHS
Programs: Lots
Posts: 1,012
For at least some of us, it means more options. When AA implemented the cornerstone strategy, many lost some point-to-point service.
I would also like to believe that the expanded network will bring more award redemption opportunities - domestically and TATL. In the latter case, alternatives to connections in LHR on BA,, PHL instead of JFK. For Mexico, Central America and the Carribean, PHX becomes an alternative to DFW.
I would also like to believe that the expanded network will bring more award redemption opportunities - domestically and TATL. In the latter case, alternatives to connections in LHR on BA,, PHL instead of JFK. For Mexico, Central America and the Carribean, PHX becomes an alternative to DFW.
#194
Suspended
Join Date: Jun 2012
Programs: UA PP, AA, DL, BA, CX, SPG, HHonors
Posts: 2,002
22.6M who can afford to fly > 1.03B when most of those 1.03B have no possibility of paying a fare that would ever generate a profit. Talk to or at least listen to AA route planning people and you'll find that the data they have gives them little inclination to expend any effort growing into Africa.
It may seem foolish to care so little about an entire continent with 1B+ people, but the economies there simply don't justify significant flying. AA's focus for expansion is the routes that will generate the highest profit. That is primarily additional South America routes, with flights into mainland China maybe slightly higher on the priority list, if they can get slots in PEK/PVG.
It may seem foolish to care so little about an entire continent with 1B+ people, but the economies there simply don't justify significant flying. AA's focus for expansion is the routes that will generate the highest profit. That is primarily additional South America routes, with flights into mainland China maybe slightly higher on the priority list, if they can get slots in PEK/PVG.
Canada has 30-some million people who can equally afford to fly and one world has no carriers that hub there ... same situation.
#195
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: JFK, DCA, BUR, YVR
Programs: AC, AS, BA, DL, HH (D), MR (T/LTP), UA (*S), UScAAre (PLT/1,87MM), WN
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