Oct 26, 2012, 5:52 pm
Last edit by: JDiver
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● For up-to-date information on AA's inclement weather travel policy for post-Sandy and other events, see: AA Travel Alerts / Travel Notices and Policy
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● To quickly check your flight: AA Gates and Times page or, as supergrandslam suggests, the AA cargo site.
● To check flight status overall, see FAA NE airports flight delay information or FlightStats Global Delays and Airport Tracker
● For additional information on NYC travel disruptions, see this thread in the NYC Forum: Hurricane Sandy - Emergency Measures and Travel Impacts (Oct 2012)
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Hurricane Sandy (and post-Sandy) impacts and related issues (consolidated)
Oct 29, 2012, 10:40 am
#181
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I just hope that these cancellations don't ripple into our flights to LGA on Saturday (11/3) and back on Monday (11/5). Right now they look pretty open for upgrades 
Cheers.
Cheers.
Oct 29, 2012, 11:50 am
#182
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I am at dfw Admirals club C as I type this. Things are oddly quiet here. Looking at the board, the closest you can get to the east coast is Pittsburgh. I was scheduled to fly dfw-lga this am and am instead, thankfully heading home.
At the hotel last night there were a number of New Yorkers in town for a trade show who are stuck for the duration. I would venture to guess that it will take at least a couple of days of flying full schedules to get people where they need to be. As to brp, not sure the city is the place to be next weekend. I just booked stl-lga for next Monday with a Tuesday return for 25k miles.
At the hotel last night there were a number of New Yorkers in town for a trade show who are stuck for the duration. I would venture to guess that it will take at least a couple of days of flying full schedules to get people where they need to be. As to brp, not sure the city is the place to be next weekend. I just booked stl-lga for next Monday with a Tuesday return for 25k miles.
Oct 29, 2012, 12:22 pm
#183
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The authorities (airlines, NY transportation, etc.) seem to be using the "Italian Earthquake Expert" formula - warn everyone, because you don't want to be blamed if you are wrong. Right now, 11:30am EST on Monday, the only major airport which is actually closed for weather is Andrews Air Force Base. Probably would have been safe to operate the subways until midnight last night.
The NYC subway shutdown at 7pm Sunday night was not so much about passenger safety. It was about giving MTA sufficient time to move equipment to higher ground and to secure their facilities. As noted on the local news this morning, it's one thing for the subway to get flooded with fresh water; it's a very different thing to get flooded with saltwater from the storm surge (think corroded switches and signals), which is what they are hoping to prevent down in the Battery where many subway lines converge.
Last edited by dstan; Oct 29, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Oct 29, 2012, 12:42 pm
#184
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The authorities (airlines, NY transportation, etc.) seem to be using the "Italian Earthquake Expert" formula - warn everyone, because you don't want to be blamed if you are wrong. Right now, 11:30am EST on Monday, the only major airport which is actually closed for weather is Andrews Air Force Base. Probably would have been safe to operate the subways until midnight last night.
http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/nemap.jsp
The closure of ACY is listed below the line (in the ADW box), so the FAA shares a lot of the blame for the confusion.
A few other minor airports are closed, but I just saw Weather Channel footage of the PHL airport with plasitc bags placed over all ticket counter computers and kiosks.
Oct 29, 2012, 12:45 pm
#185
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Not bad today, however tomorrow is another story. We are supposed to have 45 mph sustained winds with gusts to 60+. If that comes to fruition there will be an impact at ORD/MDW. This lady's kicking waves up to 25 feet on our little lake East of the city, which is just a tad unusual.
Oct 29, 2012, 4:52 pm
#186
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Latest FAA Update from 6:00pm EDT Teleconference
Airlines currently anticipate trying to resume operations on Wednesday.
http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_other...eDate=10/29/12
http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_other...eDate=10/29/12
ATCSCC ADVZY 033 DCC 10/29/12 HURRICANE SANDY TELCON_FYI
IMPACTED AREA: U.S. EAST COAST
WIND ESTIMATES:
TUESDAY: DC METROS 24030G50, NY METROS 15035G55
WEDNESDAY: DC METROS SW 10G20, NY METROS SOUTH 15G30
STORM SURGE: NY METROS 11' SURGE POSSIBLE
NY HIGH TIDE: (BATTERY PARK)
MONDAY 1232Z/0053Z
TUESDAY 1307Z/0133Z
WEDNESDAY 1341Z-0214Z
SANDY PUBLIC ADVISORY - NHC ADVISORY 30
LOCATION - 30 ESE SOUTH OF CAPE MAY, NJ
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 90 MPH
MOVEMENT - WNW AT 28 MPH
NY/DC/PHL/BOS AIRPORTS. ALL
MASS TRANSIT:
MASS TRANSIT AURHORITY OF NEW YORK ADVISES THE TRAIN AND SUBWAY
SYSTEM WILL CEASE OPERATIONS AT 2300Z. THE BUS SYSTEM WILL BE
DISCONTINUED AT 0100Z.
BOS MASSPORT ADVISES WINDS OF 50KTS COULD STOP SERVICE.
WASHINGON DC, NO DECISIONS MADE AT THIS TIME.
PHL HOLDING A MEETING AT 1600Z TO DISCUSS THE SCENARIO.
AIRPORT INFORMATION:
..LGA, NYPA ADVISES A 4' STORM SURGE COULD PUT THE RWY'S UNDERWATER.
..JFK IS A LITTLE BETTER THAN LGA REGARDING SURGE. RWY'S 4L AND 31R
TEND TO FLOOD LAST.
..EWR CONCERNS OVER PUMPING STATION POWER SUPPLIES FAILURE WOULD
RESULT IN AIRPORT FLOODING DURING HEAVY PERIODS OF RAIN OR STORM
SURGES
..IAD OPEN, SEEING A REDUCTION IN THE SCHEDULE. THE EMERGENCY
OPERATION CENTER WILL BE ACTIVATED LATER TODAY.
..PHL'S BRIDGE TO THE AIRPORT COULD BE EFFECTED BY HIGH WINDS, NO
DEFINITE PARAMETERS AT PRESENT.
CONTROL TOWER WIND THRESHOLDS TOLERANCES. WINDS IN THE RANGES BELOW
COULD PROMPT EVACUATIONS:
IAD-75 KTS EWR-70 KTS PHL-65 KTS
BWI-70 KTS JFK-70 KTS BOS-70 KTS
DCA-60 KTS LGA-CAT III WINDS
FLIGHT STATUS: FOR NY/DC/PHL/BOS SEVERAL AIRLINES ARE STILL IN THE
PLANNING STAGES. OVERALL CONSENSUS IS RESUMING OPERATIONS ON
WEDNESDAY. WINDS WILL STILL BE STRONG ON TUESDAY
AND POTENTIAL DAMAGE COULD PROMPT FURTHER CANCELLATIONS.
DAILY TELCONS WILL OCCUR AT 1215Z AND 2200Z. NOTE MONRING TELCON
TIME CHANGE.
CUSTOMERS AND FACILITIES NOTE NEXT PLANNING TELCON 28/2200Z
TO PARTICIPATE CALL USA NUMBER 540-359-3200, PIN 2333#.
ALTERNATE USA PHONE NUMBER 540-359-3158
QUESTION: ATCSCC INTERNATIONAL POSITION 540-359-4158
REPLACES ATCSCC ADVZY 022
292210-301200
12/10/29 22:16 DCCOPS./nfs/lxstn33
IMPACTED AREA: U.S. EAST COAST
WIND ESTIMATES:
TUESDAY: DC METROS 24030G50, NY METROS 15035G55
WEDNESDAY: DC METROS SW 10G20, NY METROS SOUTH 15G30
STORM SURGE: NY METROS 11' SURGE POSSIBLE
NY HIGH TIDE: (BATTERY PARK)
MONDAY 1232Z/0053Z
TUESDAY 1307Z/0133Z
WEDNESDAY 1341Z-0214Z
SANDY PUBLIC ADVISORY - NHC ADVISORY 30
LOCATION - 30 ESE SOUTH OF CAPE MAY, NJ
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 90 MPH
MOVEMENT - WNW AT 28 MPH
NY/DC/PHL/BOS AIRPORTS. ALL
MASS TRANSIT:
MASS TRANSIT AURHORITY OF NEW YORK ADVISES THE TRAIN AND SUBWAY
SYSTEM WILL CEASE OPERATIONS AT 2300Z. THE BUS SYSTEM WILL BE
DISCONTINUED AT 0100Z.
BOS MASSPORT ADVISES WINDS OF 50KTS COULD STOP SERVICE.
WASHINGON DC, NO DECISIONS MADE AT THIS TIME.
PHL HOLDING A MEETING AT 1600Z TO DISCUSS THE SCENARIO.
AIRPORT INFORMATION:
..LGA, NYPA ADVISES A 4' STORM SURGE COULD PUT THE RWY'S UNDERWATER.
..JFK IS A LITTLE BETTER THAN LGA REGARDING SURGE. RWY'S 4L AND 31R
TEND TO FLOOD LAST.
..EWR CONCERNS OVER PUMPING STATION POWER SUPPLIES FAILURE WOULD
RESULT IN AIRPORT FLOODING DURING HEAVY PERIODS OF RAIN OR STORM
SURGES
..IAD OPEN, SEEING A REDUCTION IN THE SCHEDULE. THE EMERGENCY
OPERATION CENTER WILL BE ACTIVATED LATER TODAY.
..PHL'S BRIDGE TO THE AIRPORT COULD BE EFFECTED BY HIGH WINDS, NO
DEFINITE PARAMETERS AT PRESENT.
CONTROL TOWER WIND THRESHOLDS TOLERANCES. WINDS IN THE RANGES BELOW
COULD PROMPT EVACUATIONS:
IAD-75 KTS EWR-70 KTS PHL-65 KTS
BWI-70 KTS JFK-70 KTS BOS-70 KTS
DCA-60 KTS LGA-CAT III WINDS
FLIGHT STATUS: FOR NY/DC/PHL/BOS SEVERAL AIRLINES ARE STILL IN THE
PLANNING STAGES. OVERALL CONSENSUS IS RESUMING OPERATIONS ON
WEDNESDAY. WINDS WILL STILL BE STRONG ON TUESDAY
AND POTENTIAL DAMAGE COULD PROMPT FURTHER CANCELLATIONS.
DAILY TELCONS WILL OCCUR AT 1215Z AND 2200Z. NOTE MONRING TELCON
TIME CHANGE.
CUSTOMERS AND FACILITIES NOTE NEXT PLANNING TELCON 28/2200Z
TO PARTICIPATE CALL USA NUMBER 540-359-3200, PIN 2333#.
ALTERNATE USA PHONE NUMBER 540-359-3158
QUESTION: ATCSCC INTERNATIONAL POSITION 540-359-4158
REPLACES ATCSCC ADVZY 022
292210-301200
12/10/29 22:16 DCCOPS./nfs/lxstn33
Last edited by dstan; Oct 29, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Oct 29, 2012, 7:23 pm
#187
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NYC Airports Officially Closed
LGA, JFK, EWR all officially closed at 8pm EDT
LGA expected to reopen Tuesday, Oct 30 at 8:26pm EDT.
JFK expected to reopen Wednesday, Oct 31 at 7:00pm EDT.
EWR expected to reopen Wednesday, Oct 31 at 7:00am EDT.
LGA expected to reopen Tuesday, Oct 30 at 8:26pm EDT.
JFK expected to reopen Wednesday, Oct 31 at 7:00pm EDT.
EWR expected to reopen Wednesday, Oct 31 at 7:00am EDT.
Oct 29, 2012, 10:34 pm
#188
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JFK expected to reopen Wednesday, Oct 31 at 7:00pm EDT. -- did you mean 7am EDT?
Oct 29, 2012, 10:51 pm
#189
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Code:
10/246 (A4418/12) - AD CLSD. WIE UNTIL UFN. CREATED: 30 OCT 02:22 2012
LGA is:
Code:
10/157 (A1542/12) - AD CLSD FIXED WING. 30 OCT 00:26 2012 UNTIL UFN. CREATED: 30 OCT 00:28 2012
Oct 29, 2012, 11:16 pm
#190
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http://www.fly.faa.gov/flyfaa/plaintext.html
Local news reporting LGA was flooded at the intersection of the two runways at the peak of the surge, but water has since receded.
Storm surge in Battery Park at the southern tip of Manhattan peaked at 14 ft vs 11 forecast. Lots of flooding throughout low lying areas. Power out below 42nd St. No reports on the subway yet, but tunnels flooded and bridges closed due to high winds.
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Oct 29, 2012, 11:23 pm
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Oct 30, 2012, 10:37 am
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Second round of cancellations coming through on the 31st...
Oct 30, 2012, 10:57 am
#193
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UA and DL allow changes to be applied as a credit for any future flight without change fee beyond 10/7 if the change is voluntary.
Does AA allow this?
Does AA allow this?
Oct 30, 2012, 11:06 am
#194
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Latest FAA Update from 8:15am EDT Teleconference
http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_other...eDate=10/30/12
ATCSCC ADVZY 021 DCC 10/30/2012 POST-TROPICAL STORM SANDY 1215Z TELCON_FYI
MESSAGE:
***THIS ADVZY REPLACES ATCSCC ADVZY 033***
IMPACTED AREA: NEW ENGLAND AND MID-ATLANTIC STATES
SANDY PUBLIC ADVISORY - NHC ADVISORY 31
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - MAX 55 WITH GUSTS TO 65 KTS
MOVEMENT - NW AT 16 KTS
AIRPORT INFORMATION:
..NY METROS: JFK/EWR/LGA CLOSED UFN; MORE FLOODING POSSIBLE TODAY ESPECIALLY AT JFK/LGA. REFER TO NOTAMS REGARDING THESE AND OTHER NY SATELLITE AIRPORTS.
..PHL: OPEN AND OPERATIONAL; REDUCED FLIGHT SCHEDULE; LIMITED CUSTOMS.
..DC METROS: OPEN AND OPERATIONAL; REDUCED FLIGHT SCHEDULE; LIMITED CUSTOMS.
FLIGHT STATUS: U.S. DOMESTIC FLIGHTS ARE OPERATING ON A REDUCED
SCHEDULE INTO PHL/DC METRO AIRPORTS. NO ESTIMATE ON RESUMING
OPERATIONS INTO THE AFFECTED NY METRO AIRPORTS. PLEASE CHECK NOTAM INFORMATION.
DAILY TELCONS WILL OCCUR AT 1215Z AND 2200Z.
CUSTOMERS AND FACILITIES NOTE NEXT PLANNING TELCON 30/2200Z
TELCON NUMBER: 540-359-3200, PIN 2333#.
ALTERNATE CONTACT NUMBER 540-359-3158
ATCSCC HURRICANE/TROPICAL STORM DESK: 540-422-4158
MESSAGE:
***THIS ADVZY REPLACES ATCSCC ADVZY 033***
IMPACTED AREA: NEW ENGLAND AND MID-ATLANTIC STATES
SANDY PUBLIC ADVISORY - NHC ADVISORY 31
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - MAX 55 WITH GUSTS TO 65 KTS
MOVEMENT - NW AT 16 KTS
AIRPORT INFORMATION:
..NY METROS: JFK/EWR/LGA CLOSED UFN; MORE FLOODING POSSIBLE TODAY ESPECIALLY AT JFK/LGA. REFER TO NOTAMS REGARDING THESE AND OTHER NY SATELLITE AIRPORTS.
..PHL: OPEN AND OPERATIONAL; REDUCED FLIGHT SCHEDULE; LIMITED CUSTOMS.
..DC METROS: OPEN AND OPERATIONAL; REDUCED FLIGHT SCHEDULE; LIMITED CUSTOMS.
FLIGHT STATUS: U.S. DOMESTIC FLIGHTS ARE OPERATING ON A REDUCED
SCHEDULE INTO PHL/DC METRO AIRPORTS. NO ESTIMATE ON RESUMING
OPERATIONS INTO THE AFFECTED NY METRO AIRPORTS. PLEASE CHECK NOTAM INFORMATION.
DAILY TELCONS WILL OCCUR AT 1215Z AND 2200Z.
CUSTOMERS AND FACILITIES NOTE NEXT PLANNING TELCON 30/2200Z
TELCON NUMBER: 540-359-3200, PIN 2333#.
ALTERNATE CONTACT NUMBER 540-359-3158
ATCSCC HURRICANE/TROPICAL STORM DESK: 540-422-4158
Oct 30, 2012, 11:17 am
#195
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AA from MIA to JFK tomorrow (Weds 31 Oct 2012)?
Is there any chance this flight is going to get out? I need to get back to NY, get clothes and make it to another city on Thurs. does it look like AA's JFK ops will be back online tomorrow or should I try to route throug a different part of the country to be sure I get where I am going on Thurs?