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[This thread is obsolete now that N800AN, American Airlines' first Being 787-8, has been announced as arriving DFW for flight trials etc. today. AA9702 departed PAE (Everett, WA) 14:07 hrs Friday, 23 January 2015, and is expected to land DFW at approximately 19:00 (local times).
Please follow the new thread here: AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 delivered to DFW today 23 Jan 2015)
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The first AA 787-8, N800AN, has been built; flight testing began 6 January 2015 with the article currently referred to as "BOE-817".
The initial 787-8 configuration is expected to be 28 J, 48 MCE and 150 MC.
Post 184 (sluggoaafa):
(Post #186, JonNYC, has details for the 787-9.)
The All Things 787 Blog states American has 16 787-8s and 26 787-9s on order.
Post #157 states first passenger flights early 2015.
JonNYC depicts what the J cabin layout is likely here in post #260.
roadwarrior84 in post #260 shares some interior photos he found online, here.
To keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. For reference, here are the threads I found from years past, along with their dates:
. . . ● 14 Jan 2013: American changing jet orders with Boeing, Airbus
. . . ● 12 November 2011: AA 787 delivery schedule?
. . . ● 21 December 2010: AA 787 delivery dates at risk - again!
. . . ● 2 September 2010: American's 787's may fly JFK-LHR
. . . ● 21 February 2010: Boeing 787 Dreamliner: when realistic to fly on AA?
. . . ● 17 April 2009: 787 deliveries pushed back to 2013
. . . ● 15 October 2008: AA Orders 42 787 "Dreamliners" (+ 58 on options)
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
(lower right wiki corner)[This thread is obsolete now that N800AN, American Airlines' first Being 787-8, has been announced as arriving DFW for flight trials etc. today. AA9702 departed PAE (Everett, WA) 14:07 hrs Friday, 23 January 2015, and is expected to land DFW at approximately 19:00 (local times).
Please follow the new thread here: AA's first Boeing 787 / 787-8 delivered to DFW today 23 Jan 2015)
Thank you.
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The initial 787-8 configuration is expected to be 28 J, 48 MCE and 150 MC.
Post 184 (sluggoaafa):
28 B/C, 48 MCE, 150 MC
...last word we had was the 787 is due on 'property' approximately 12/31. January will be tied to FAA. February getting a few more tweaks done. March will be first AA revenue flight.
...last word we had was the 787 is due on 'property' approximately 12/31. January will be tied to FAA. February getting a few more tweaks done. March will be first AA revenue flight.
Originally Posted by American Airlines
Boeing 787s
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
We have plans to acquire 42 state-of-the-art 787(-8) Dreamliners, which are currently scheduled to be delivered starting in late 2014
Post #157 states first passenger flights early 2015.
JonNYC depicts what the J cabin layout is likely here in post #260.
roadwarrior84 in post #260 shares some interior photos he found online, here.
To keep things in some semblance of organisation, I've consolidated all of the 2012 threads on the 787 delivery dates, orders or delays into this thread. For reference, here are the threads I found from years past, along with their dates:
. . . ● 14 Jan 2013: American changing jet orders with Boeing, Airbus
. . . ● 12 November 2011: AA 787 delivery schedule?
. . . ● 21 December 2010: AA 787 delivery dates at risk - again!
. . . ● 2 September 2010: American's 787's may fly JFK-LHR
. . . ● 21 February 2010: Boeing 787 Dreamliner: when realistic to fly on AA?
. . . ● 17 April 2009: 787 deliveries pushed back to 2013
. . . ● 15 October 2008: AA Orders 42 787 "Dreamliners" (+ 58 on options)
Please see AA (internally) announces first B788 route for route and inaugural flights information.
ARCHIVE: AA 787 Orders / Delays / Changes / Delivery Dates, 2012 and later (consolida
Jan 16, 2013, 11:52 pm
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it's no great surprise by this point the grounding. Some major issues to work out but given the history and lack of control of the program by Boeing it was a fairly easy short.
Jan 23, 2013, 2:26 pm
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http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...bus-jets.html/
Accordingly, all orders from the 2011 re-fleeting orders (737s, 737MAX, Airbus A319/A321 and Airbus neo) plus the 42 787s are now confirmed/ratified. As a result, I believe that AA now has more mainline planes on order than UA, DL and US combined.
Feb 2, 2013, 7:06 pm
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From the WSJ:
Boeing Stays Course on Stretch 787
Boeing Co. is expected to begin piecing together the next version of its Dreamliner jet in the coming weeks, even without a fix for what has bedeviled the plane's electrical system or a timetable for resuming flights.
The new Dreamliner, called the 787-9, would carry about 40 more passengers and fly slightly farther than the current model, which carries around 250. It would use the same electrical system and lithium-ion batteries as the current model.
[...]
The company faces the double challenge of resolving safety issues with the batteries on the current 787 version, which entered service in 2011 after lengthy delays, and then phasing in a permanent fix for the larger 787-9 without interrupting its development.
The company hopes to deliver the first 787-9 to Air New Zealand by early next year.
A Boeing spokesman said, "We remain confident in the design of the 787 and will apply any lessons learned on the 787-8 to the 787-9, as appropriate, before it enters service."
Boeing Co. is expected to begin piecing together the next version of its Dreamliner jet in the coming weeks, even without a fix for what has bedeviled the plane's electrical system or a timetable for resuming flights.
The new Dreamliner, called the 787-9, would carry about 40 more passengers and fly slightly farther than the current model, which carries around 250. It would use the same electrical system and lithium-ion batteries as the current model.
[...]
The company faces the double challenge of resolving safety issues with the batteries on the current 787 version, which entered service in 2011 after lengthy delays, and then phasing in a permanent fix for the larger 787-9 without interrupting its development.
The company hopes to deliver the first 787-9 to Air New Zealand by early next year.
A Boeing spokesman said, "We remain confident in the design of the 787 and will apply any lessons learned on the 787-8 to the 787-9, as appropriate, before it enters service."
Feb 8, 2013, 5:44 pm
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AA today firmed up orders with Boeing and Airbus for almost 250 aircraft.
American Finalizes Aircraft Orders With Airbus and Boeing, Expects 787s in Late 2014
American Airlines is moving ahead with its new aircraft orders. Boeing today announced that American Airlines officially confirmed an order for 143 new aircraft, including 42 787 Dreamliners that were first ordered by the carrier in 2008.
Airbus similarly said that American had confirmed an order for 130 A321neo jet aircraft.....
American Finalizes Aircraft Orders With Airbus and Boeing, Expects 787s in Late 2014
American Airlines is moving ahead with its new aircraft orders. Boeing today announced that American Airlines officially confirmed an order for 143 new aircraft, including 42 787 Dreamliners that were first ordered by the carrier in 2008.
Airbus similarly said that American had confirmed an order for 130 A321neo jet aircraft.....
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Feb 9, 2013, 12:32 am
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Feb 9, 2013, 1:13 am
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Boeing orders and deliveries showing recent AA orders:
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
Dow Jones Newswire story:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2013...r-boeing-jets/
As I posted on January 23, the bankruptcy court approved the amended Boeing and Airbus purchase agreements covering 200 Boeing 737s (100 NG and 100 MAX) plus 260 A321/A319 family (130 current plus 130neo) plus 42 787s plus 12-17 additional 77Ws, for a total of 514 to 519 total airplanes.
Not all of those orders are yet reflected on Boeing's or Airbus' websites, but they became firm obligations of AA when approved by the court. Appearance on the websites of the OEMs is irrelevant when discussing whether they've been ordered by AA.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
Dow Jones Newswire story:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2013...r-boeing-jets/
As I posted on January 23, the bankruptcy court approved the amended Boeing and Airbus purchase agreements covering 200 Boeing 737s (100 NG and 100 MAX) plus 260 A321/A319 family (130 current plus 130neo) plus 42 787s plus 12-17 additional 77Ws, for a total of 514 to 519 total airplanes.
Not all of those orders are yet reflected on Boeing's or Airbus' websites, but they became firm obligations of AA when approved by the court. Appearance on the websites of the OEMs is irrelevant when discussing whether they've been ordered by AA.
Jul 12, 2013, 1:14 pm
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787 "Dreamliner" Fire at LHR
With today's 787 fire of the Ethiopian "Queen of Sheba" parked in the remote stands at LHR, that tiny speck growing ever smaller is not a departing seagull, it is the 787 entry date for AA operations. BBC.
The fire site seems directly under the crown forward of the empennage - directly over the crew bunks, and not at all near the location of either battery. And whilst this was going on Thomson 's 787 flying to Florida, turned around and returned to MAN "with a technical fault".
Boeing's recurrent "Nightmareliner"? As I've said before, I am in no hurry to fly on a brand new airplane that is extremely different than most conventional types out there today (battery and carbon fiber). I can't say the long wait for the 787 to enter AA service is any problem for me.
The fire site seems directly under the crown forward of the empennage - directly over the crew bunks, and not at all near the location of either battery. And whilst this was going on Thomson 's 787 flying to Florida, turned around and returned to MAN "with a technical fault".
Boeing's recurrent "Nightmareliner"? As I've said before, I am in no hurry to fly on a brand new airplane that is extremely different than most conventional types out there today (battery and carbon fiber). I can't say the long wait for the 787 to enter AA service is any problem for me.
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Jul 12, 2013, 2:43 pm
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If Boeing further delays the delivery of 787s to AA, perhaps, in an ironic twist, AA will write to Boeing Customer Relations and ask for compensation due to delay?
How many miles is appropriate for a case like this?
How many miles is appropriate for a case like this?
Jul 12, 2013, 2:51 pm
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With today's 787 fire of the Ethiopian "Queen of Sheba" parked in the remote stands at LHR, that tiny speck growing ever smaller is not a departing seagull, it is the 787 entry date for AA operations. BBC.
Boeing's recurrent "Nightmareliner"? As I've said before, I am in no hurry to fly on a brand new airplane that is extremely different than most conventional types out there today (battery and carbon fiber). I can't say the long wait for the 787 to enter AA service is any problem for me.
Boeing's recurrent "Nightmareliner"? As I've said before, I am in no hurry to fly on a brand new airplane that is extremely different than most conventional types out there today (battery and carbon fiber). I can't say the long wait for the 787 to enter AA service is any problem for me.
Jul 12, 2013, 3:18 pm
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I'd be shocked if there wasn't a substantial penalty in the Boeing-AA contract over this delay which involves negotiation as the delays have lengthened.
Jul 12, 2013, 3:31 pm
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 77Ws are part of the compensation for the 787 delay, perhaps in the form of a discount that made them economically feasible for AA.
I'd be shocked if there wasn't a substantial penalty in the Boeing-AA contract over this delay which involves negotiation as the delays have lengthened.
I'd be shocked if there wasn't a substantial penalty in the Boeing-AA contract over this delay which involves negotiation as the delays have lengthened.
AA and Boeing revised the purchase order prior to bankruptcy court approval earlier this year to permit AA to substitute up to 20 787-8s in the order of 42 so that AA could get them sooner than waiting for the 787-9.
Not long after AA announced the 77W order, it mentioned in its SEC filings that it had financing in place for all pending deliveries at that time except for the 77Ws which led me to believe that there was at least a handshake agreement that Boeing would provide backstop financing, as nobody seemed concerned that AA did not have financing commitments for $2 billion or more worth of 77Ws.
Turns out the 77Ws have been financed by third party lenders - perhaps with Boeing participating quietly on the side (unlikely) or perhaps the purchase price was discounted signficantly to compensate for the 787 delay (probably more likely).
Jul 13, 2013, 9:56 am
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Sounds like someone left a coffee pot on for about 8 hours!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...724526676.html
The fire on an unoccupied Ethiopian Airlines 787 Dreamliner at London's Heathrow Airport on Friday was "not related to flight safety," the carrier said Saturday.
Jul 13, 2013, 10:11 am
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As it was pretty much over the crew bunks location, I wonder if anyone decided to have a rest and a smoke... but the location is not at all close to the battery locations, either mid-fuselage or forward. It is one more headache, and Thomson will hopefully find something unrelated as well; their turnaround back to MAN with apparent lack of transparency may hurt more than help, particularly if it is not battery related.
Sounds like someone left a coffee pot on for about 8 hours!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...724526676.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...724526676.html
Jul 21, 2013, 6:03 am
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Seattle P-I photo of the first 787-9 leaving the factory. After testing, it will be repainted and delivered to NZ.
