AA to Discontinue JFK-BUD, Add Fourth DFW-LHR Flight
Feb 9, 2012, 5:35 pm
#106
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I was through Tegel again in November and December and, to me, it always looks like Air Berlin could use more space there. The hallways near their gates always look packed. Is there a capacity issue there that they have not been able to ramp up flights at certain times of day?
Feb 10, 2012, 4:03 pm
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Great news for me^^ Every flight I have been on DFW-LHR has been 100% full this past year in Y-J-F. I think it will be great.
Any ideas as to when AA will load the new flight? I am hoping when they load it there might be some "C" space available so I am thinking about booking my summer travel as soon as its loaded. Seeing lots of coach fares in the sub $1400 category for summer travel now.
Any ideas as to when AA will load the new flight? I am hoping when they load it there might be some "C" space available so I am thinking about booking my summer travel as soon as its loaded. Seeing lots of coach fares in the sub $1400 category for summer travel now.
Feb 10, 2012, 9:23 pm
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Summary: Today, American announced two schedule adjustments. AA will not reinstate its seasonal New York JFK – Budapest, Hungary (BUD), service June 14. Separately, AA will add a fourth flight between Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) and London Heathrow (LHR) on that same day.
Key Points:
• We continuously evaluate routes to ensure we are maximizing our fleet and profitability.
• AA will not reinstate its JFK-BUD flight that was scheduled to start June 14.
• The airline has taken the difficult decision to cancel this service in light of high oil prices and the weakened global economy, which has affected travel demand and the route’s performance.
• Both the JFK-BUD removal and the new DFW-LHR flights will appear in SABRE on Feb. 12.
• AA will continue to offer travel choices between the U.S. and Budapest in conjunction with oneworld partners, British Airways and Finnair, via either London Heathrow or Helsinki.
• AA is evaluating other scheduling options for the Boeing 767-300 aircraft that was assigned to JFK-BUD.
• On June 14, AA will add a fourth flight between DFW and LHR.
• The new flight will operate every day except Thursday.
• AA 26 will depart DFW at 5:15 p.m. and arrive LHR at 8:30 a.m. Return flight AA 27 will depart LHR at 10:30 a.m. and arrive DFW at 2:40 p.m.
• The route will be operated by two-class Boeing 767-300 aircraft.
Key Points:
• We continuously evaluate routes to ensure we are maximizing our fleet and profitability.
• AA will not reinstate its JFK-BUD flight that was scheduled to start June 14.
• The airline has taken the difficult decision to cancel this service in light of high oil prices and the weakened global economy, which has affected travel demand and the route’s performance.
• Both the JFK-BUD removal and the new DFW-LHR flights will appear in SABRE on Feb. 12.
• AA will continue to offer travel choices between the U.S. and Budapest in conjunction with oneworld partners, British Airways and Finnair, via either London Heathrow or Helsinki.
• AA is evaluating other scheduling options for the Boeing 767-300 aircraft that was assigned to JFK-BUD.
• On June 14, AA will add a fourth flight between DFW and LHR.
• The new flight will operate every day except Thursday.
• AA 26 will depart DFW at 5:15 p.m. and arrive LHR at 8:30 a.m. Return flight AA 27 will depart LHR at 10:30 a.m. and arrive DFW at 2:40 p.m.
• The route will be operated by two-class Boeing 767-300 aircraft.
- Changed to a 777 whilst awaiting the Dreamliners to appear (to help out us "A inventory" addicts. Come on, we know who you are)
- Depart DFW @ 0800
- Two days a week the destination is CDG, Not LHR
- One day week the destination is LGW
The thing I like about AB is they are "less" hub and spoke than other Euro airlines. I've flown from Malaga & Palma to different places in No. Europe and from different places in Germany to STN. It looks to me that if they have a hub, its DUS, not PMI.
Feb 11, 2012, 3:46 am
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A thought....though I cant see it happening anytime soon.... one of the many USA AA flights (from DFW, MIA or JFK) to GRU could have continuing service to JNB (and then turn around) - SAA currently flies GRU-JNB and EZE-JNB. GRU would be almost on the current flight path of the DL flight ATL-JNB, so not a major detour.
Feb 11, 2012, 4:27 am
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But, on the other hand, who is this:
AMR Samsung Telecomms
240 Dividend Drive, Coppell, TX
(469) 322-6000
(I found them when searching Samsung on Google Maps without being more specific about locaiton. And it's right next to DFW.)
Does AMR already have a relationship with Samsung???
But, on the other hand, who is this:
AMR Samsung Telecomms
240 Dividend Drive, Coppell, TX
(469) 322-6000
(I found them when searching Samsung on Google Maps without being more specific about locaiton. And it's right next to DFW.)
Does AMR already have a relationship with Samsung???
Feb 11, 2012, 7:40 am
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NOW, if they'd only have the 4th DFW flight:
- Changed to a 777 whilst awaiting the Dreamliners to appear (to help out us "A inventory" addicts. Come on, we know who you are)
- Depart DFW @ 0800
- Two days a week the destination is CDG, Not LHR
- One day week the destination is LGW
Feb 11, 2012, 7:54 am
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NOW, if they'd only have the 4th DFW flight:
- Changed to a 777 whilst awaiting the Dreamliners to appear (to help out us "A inventory" addicts. Come on, we know who you are)
- Depart DFW @ 0800
- Two days a week the destination is CDG, Not LHR
- One day week the destination is LGW
Plus, who wants to arrive in CDG after midnight? Does the RER run into the City at that time of night? Would you want to take it?
Feb 11, 2012, 8:40 am
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I was trying to reroute, what is amazing to me is how many AAgents think that the BA fuel surcharge is a government imposed tax. That's what they say that they were told.
Feb 12, 2012, 1:15 pm
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Have you ever tried booking such a flight, when you don't know in advance that it only flies once a week? It's awful, because the booking engines don't tell you "we don't fly there that day, but we do fly there this other day" in a clean way.
It's already bad enough with flights that operate only some days of the week, but at least if it's about every other day then with "price & schedule" you have a chance to figure that out by clicking the day before or the day after. But only once a week? If you don't (from some outside source) know that that's how it operates, you'll never find it.
Besdies, there's nothing to move. It's not like it's same plane going back and forth all the time; it's in rotation with other planes going other places. Doing the split you proposed would mean not splitting this, but actulaly reducing the frequency on this fliight and adding two new flights from DFW at low frequencies. But since they couldn't use the same planes as efficinelty that way, why in the world would they do it?
People don't want a destination LHR or CDG or LGW only once a week. They want it within a day or so of their original planned travel date. So if a flight can't be every other day, no point, might as well simply make it a connection.
It's already bad enough with flights that operate only some days of the week, but at least if it's about every other day then with "price & schedule" you have a chance to figure that out by clicking the day before or the day after. But only once a week? If you don't (from some outside source) know that that's how it operates, you'll never find it.
Besdies, there's nothing to move. It's not like it's same plane going back and forth all the time; it's in rotation with other planes going other places. Doing the split you proposed would mean not splitting this, but actulaly reducing the frequency on this fliight and adding two new flights from DFW at low frequencies. But since they couldn't use the same planes as efficinelty that way, why in the world would they do it?
People don't want a destination LHR or CDG or LGW only once a week. They want it within a day or so of their original planned travel date. So if a flight can't be every other day, no point, might as well simply make it a connection.
Feb 12, 2012, 1:19 pm
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A-ha! So AA does already have a business relationship with Samsung (it chose them for the in-flight tablets and is promoting that). So that hints that AA might possibly be a preferred airline for Samsung if it were to fly DFW-ICN.
Feb 12, 2012, 1:45 pm
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The flights from deep South America (SCL, EZE) get in at 6:00 AM (when Customs at DFW opens) or shortly thereafter. Flights that get in any earlier hold at the gate with the door shut until 6 AM (or at least have for me). I suspect that means turning around for a 7:30 AM departure would be a stretch.