No Catering in first for Denver to DFW?
Dec 6, 2011, 2:09 pm
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No Catering in first for Denver to DFW?
is this actually true?: Searching expert flier and aa.com. none of the flights from Denver to DFW have meals or even snacks, but going INTO Denver they do? First class AND coach. Bizarre.
Anyone flown this recently to know if this is correct? Found a Denver-Miami flight with food, but that was it.
Anyone flown this recently to know if this is correct? Found a Denver-Miami flight with food, but that was it.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:12 pm
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I have always been served a meal in first. It is one of the shortest meal flights in the system. You might be out of the meal window, but I would guess in that case you'd still get warm nuts and a cookie.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:16 pm
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Recently it has not been served. The flight time has gone under 2 hours was the explanation offered. I make the trip at least once a quarter.
Going to Denver is always above two hours, so it is always served.
Going to Denver is always above two hours, so it is always served.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:17 pm
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There is a meal DFW/DEN but not on DEN/DFW, which is a little bizzare. Still, its relatively short flight with a block time of about two hours.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:17 pm
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This typically has to do with catering arrangements. I seem to recall a thread popping up a while ago about DEN not having any catering beyond shelf-stable items, sodas and ice, although I may be "misremembering" that... If it is indeed due to local catering, it's possible the inbound aircraft serving the DEN-MIA flight is double-catered.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:19 pm
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It has always been one of the anomalous routes in the system, and documented in other threads previously.
Basically it doesn't make much sense even if it is under 2 hours, as DFW-COS (Colorado Springs) is blocked at 1:50 and served meals during the meal windows.
In my experience, the flight must be departing within a meal window in order to get a meal under 2 hours block time.
Basically it doesn't make much sense even if it is under 2 hours, as DFW-COS (Colorado Springs) is blocked at 1:50 and served meals during the meal windows.
In my experience, the flight must be departing within a meal window in order to get a meal under 2 hours block time.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:20 pm
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This typically has to do with catering arrangements. I seem to recall a thread popping up a while ago about DEN not having any catering beyond shelf-stable items, sodas and ice, although I may be "misremembering" that... If it is indeed due to local catering, it's possible the inbound aircraft serving the DEN-MIA flight is double-catered.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:20 pm
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There are several cases where eastbound vs. westbound flights have different levels of service based on the fact that the eastbound flights are shorter and have block times underneath a certain cut off.
For example, RDU-ORD has a meal westbound only. The eastbound flights have sub-two hour block times. The same is true with DEN-DFW and COS-DFW - meals westbound only.
ORD-LGA and ORD-BOS is another example. Eastbound gets continental breakfast and nothing between meal times. Westbound gets hot breakfast and snacks during non-meal times.
For example, RDU-ORD has a meal westbound only. The eastbound flights have sub-two hour block times. The same is true with DEN-DFW and COS-DFW - meals westbound only.
ORD-LGA and ORD-BOS is another example. Eastbound gets continental breakfast and nothing between meal times. Westbound gets hot breakfast and snacks during non-meal times.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:20 pm
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It has always been one of the anomalous routes in the system, and documented in other threads previously.
Basically it doesn't make much sense even if it is under 2 hours, as DFW-COS (Colorado Springs) is blocked at 1:50 and served meals during the meal windows.
In my experience, the key that you're missing is that the flight must be departing within a meal window in order to get a meal under 2 hours block time.
Basically it doesn't make much sense even if it is under 2 hours, as DFW-COS (Colorado Springs) is blocked at 1:50 and served meals during the meal windows.
In my experience, the key that you're missing is that the flight must be departing within a meal window in order to get a meal under 2 hours block time.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:26 pm
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Basically it doesn't make much sense even if it is under 2 hours, as DFW-COS (Colorado Springs) is blocked at 1:50 and served meals during the meal windows.
In my experience, the flight must be departing within a meal window in order to get a meal under 2 hours block time.
In my experience, the flight must be departing within a meal window in order to get a meal under 2 hours block time.
All but DFW-COS are for competitive reasons (even though DL doesn't serve meals on DTW-LGA, I guess Eagle is using it to siphon passengers from a heavy-DL route). I think DFW-COS westbound meal service is a vestige of better days. Who knows as I doubt there is much paid F traffic on that route.
Dec 6, 2011, 2:27 pm
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I'm confused. Surely the Denver airport has some catering vendor - after all, it's a United hub.
I can understand AA not hiring a catering company in small spokes like IND or SDF, but it strikes me as beyond cheap to not load fresh food in large cities that may be AA spokes but are large hubs for other airlines.
I may not be remembering correctly, but wasn't there some nonsense a few years ago about AA not catering planes in San Diego because its preferred company shut down its SAN facility? When AA could have hired another company?
I can understand AA not hiring a catering company in small spokes like IND or SDF, but it strikes me as beyond cheap to not load fresh food in large cities that may be AA spokes but are large hubs for other airlines.
I may not be remembering correctly, but wasn't there some nonsense a few years ago about AA not catering planes in San Diego because its preferred company shut down its SAN facility? When AA could have hired another company?
Dec 6, 2011, 3:18 pm
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I'm confused. Surely the Denver airport has some catering vendor - after all, it's a United hub.
I can understand AA not hiring a catering company in small spokes like IND or SDF, but it strikes me as beyond cheap to not load fresh food in large cities that may be AA spokes but are large hubs for other airlines.
I may not be remembering correctly, but wasn't there some nonsense a few years ago about AA not catering planes in San Diego because its preferred company shut down its SAN facility? When AA could have hired another company?
I can understand AA not hiring a catering company in small spokes like IND or SDF, but it strikes me as beyond cheap to not load fresh food in large cities that may be AA spokes but are large hubs for other airlines.
I may not be remembering correctly, but wasn't there some nonsense a few years ago about AA not catering planes in San Diego because its preferred company shut down its SAN facility? When AA could have hired another company?
Dec 6, 2011, 3:34 pm
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I'd done a search and seen some OLD comments about no catering in Denver, but they were no sooner than 08 if I recall. The flights I checked were MD80s to DFW leaving at 6 and 7 o'clock hours.
thanks for everyone's input.
PS I guess the meals for Denver to MIA must be double catered coming in from somewhere else. It's a 737 vs. the MD80s to DFW
thanks for everyone's input.
PS I guess the meals for Denver to MIA must be double catered coming in from somewhere else. It's a 737 vs. the MD80s to DFW
Dec 6, 2011, 4:00 pm
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is this actually true?: Searching expert flier and aa.com. none of the flights from Denver to DFW have meals or even snacks, but going INTO Denver they do? First class AND coach. Bizarre.
Anyone flown this recently to know if this is correct? Found a Denver-Miami flight with food, but that was it.
Anyone flown this recently to know if this is correct? Found a Denver-Miami flight with food, but that was it.
DFW <> DEN is over two hours and therefore a meal is served.
DEN <> DFW is under two hours and therefore a meal is not served.
Dec 6, 2011, 6:35 pm
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It's been that way for at least three years. Return flight is under 2hours and thus no food service. When you check the den-dfw leg in first on AA.com it won't indicate meal service, only a snack.