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In coach, HNL-ORD-DEL is 45000 Miles but HNL-DFW-DEL is 62500 miles. why?

 
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 10:31 pm
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In coach, HNL-ORD-DEL is 45000 Miles but HNL-DFW-DEL is 62500 miles. why?
I am trying to book a ticket from HNL - DFW (Stopover for 1 month) - DEL
But, AA.COM is asking for 17500 Miles + 45000 Miles for the above.
If I book the exact same dates as HNL - ORD - DFW, then it asks me only for 45000 miles.
I was under the impression that I can have a stopover at the first point of entry and which is what I am doing, but apparently the system is not allowing me to use less miles.

Can I do this as HNL - DFW - LHR - DEL? Will that work for 45000 miles? I will have to call the Exp Plat Desk, but thought I will ask the Experts first.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 10:40 pm
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Originally Posted by spsawant
I am trying to book a ticket from HNL - DFW (Stopover for 1 month) - DEL
But, AA.COM is asking for 17500 Miles + 45000 Miles for the above.
If I book the exact same dates as HNL - ORD - DFW, then it asks me only for 45000 miles.
I was under the impression that I can have a stopover at the first point of entry and which is what I am doing, but apparently the system is not allowing me to use less miles.

Can I do this as HNL - DFW - LHR - DEL? Will that work for 45000 miles? I will have to call the Exp Plat Desk, but thought I will ask the Experts first.
Your international gateway is the last airport before leaving the country, or the first airport when you return to the country. HNL is in the U.S. Your understanding of the rule is correct, your understanding of geography is not.

ORD is your international gateway both ways.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 10:44 pm
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I am not even sure I understand OP's routing or question.

In any case, the North America Gateway stopover on an international itinerary is the LAST place to leave North America, and the FIRST place to enter North America - it is North America in geographic sense, so Canada, Mexico and even Caribbeans are included. Though I have yet to read a post about making a stopover at Mexico or Caribbeans. Canada certain has been done by many such at YVR and YYZ.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 10:53 pm
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In coach, HNL-ORD/DFW-DEL would seem like about a million miles.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 10:59 pm
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In coach, HNL-ORD/DFW-DEL would seem like about a million miles.
On a rev fare those are hard earned BIS miles. If booking award, I'd pony up some more miles for biz+.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 11:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy
I am not even sure I understand OP's routing or question.

In any case, the North America Gateway stopover on an international itinerary is the LAST place to leave North America, and the FIRST place to enter North America - it is North America in geographic sense, so Canada, Mexico and even Caribbeans are included. Though I have yet to read a post about making a stopover at Mexico or Caribbeans. Canada certain has been done by many such at YVR and YYZ.
Basically, I am trying to do a HNL - DFW and then DFW - DEL trip. I live in Dallas. Thus I will have a stopover of about 1 month in between the above 2 trips. For this the aa.com system is asking me 17500 (HNL-DFW) and 45000 (DFW-DEL).

Now, if I check HNL - ORD and then 1 month stop and then ORD - DEL, then I can get this ticket for a total of 45000 miles in Coach One Way. The HNL-ORD section does not need any miles and I believe that the first american gateway thing is working out here, but not for the DFW routing.

Thus, I wanted to understand, how much miles will it take, if I do HNL-DFW-LHR-DEL or BOM? Will it be 45000 or 62500?
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 11:03 pm
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Originally Posted by joshekg
On a rev fare those are hard earned BIS miles. If booking award, I'd pony up some more miles for biz+.
I plan to get Biz tickets. But, the same logic applies to Coach and Biz and hence wanted to throw out some exact numbers.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 11:06 pm
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Originally Posted by gemac
Your international gateway is the last airport before leaving the country, or the first airport when you return to the country. HNL is in the U.S. Your understanding of the rule is correct, your understanding of geography is not.

ORD is your international gateway both ways.
Thanks Gemac ...
Thus applying your logic, will the HNL - DFW - LHR - DEL/BOM routing work?
LHR - DEL/BOM will have to be on British Airways. In this itiernary, DFW becomes the International Gateway in both directions. Should I be able to get this routing for 45000 miles?
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 11:12 pm
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Originally Posted by spsawant
Thanks Gemac ...
Thus applying your logic, will the HNL - DFW - LHR - DEL/BOM routing work?
LHR - DEL/BOM will have to be on British Airways. In this itiernary, DFW becomes the International Gateway in both directions. Should I be able to get this routing for 45000 miles?
Yes, DFW is the international gateway on this itinerary, you should be able to stopover in DFW and still get it as one award rather than two awards. You will also have to pay substantial cash due to YQ and LHR taxes, but that may be worth it to you.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 11:13 pm
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Originally Posted by spsawant
Thanks Gemac ...
Thus applying your logic, will the HNL - DFW - LHR - DEL/BOM routing work?
LHR - DEL/BOM will have to be on British Airways. In this itiernary, DFW becomes the International Gateway in both directions. Should I be able to get this routing for 45000 miles?
Yes - but you will now be subject to the BA fuel surcharges - which can be $$$$$$$$.

HNL-DFW-MAD-HEL-DEL would add an extra stop but save you the extra BA fees.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 11:22 pm
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Yes - but you will now be subject to the BA fuel surcharges - which can be $$$$$$$$.

HNL-DFW-MAD-HEL-DEL would add an extra stop but save you the extra BA fees.
HNL: I like your idea. Is there any other routing I can take to go to Bombay? Is there any other Oneworld Carrier (apart from BA) that can take me to Bombay as that would be my preferred destination. I checked the Finnair website and the only available destination seems DEL.
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Originally Posted by spsawant
Basically, I am trying to do a HNL - DFW and then DFW - DEL trip. I live in Dallas. Thus I will have a stopover of about 1 month in between the above 2 trips. For this the aa.com system is asking me 17500 (HNL-DFW) and 45000 (DFW-DEL).

Now, if I check HNL - ORD and then 1 month stop and then ORD - DEL, then I can get this ticket for a total of 45000 miles in Coach One Way. The HNL-ORD section does not need any miles and I believe that the first american gateway thing is working out here, but not for the DFW routing.

Thus, I wanted to understand, how much miles will it take, if I do HNL-DFW-LHR-DEL or BOM? Will it be 45000 or 62500?
Because on your outbound DFW is NOT your LAST place to leave North America - therefore the award becomes 2 parts - Wholly within North America + North America to India.

It has to be the LAST place you leave NA on the Outbound and the FIRST place you enter NA on the Inbound.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 11:24 pm
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Originally Posted by spsawant
HNL: I like your idea. Is there any other routing I can take to go to Bombay? Is there any other Oneworld Carrier (apart from BA) that can take me to Bombay as that would be my preferred destination. I checked the Finnair website and the only available destination seems DEL.
It looks like you either have to pay BA YQ or to pay between DEL and Bombay - you decide which one is cheaper.

My hunch says the latter is much cheaper as BA YQ LHR to India could be in the range of $1000 in case you have not had any idea.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 11:27 pm
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Originally Posted by spsawant
Originally Posted by HNL
Yes - but you will now be subject to the BA fuel surcharges - which can be $$$$$$$$.

HNL-DFW-MAD-HEL-DEL would add an extra stop but save you the extra BA fees.
HNL: I like your idea. Is there any other routing I can take to go to Bombay? Is there any other Oneworld Carrier (apart from BA) that can take me to Bombay as that would be my preferred destination. I checked the Finnair website and the only available destination seems DEL.
You have to limit yourself to AAdvantage partners, not to oneworld carriers. Fly AA HNL-DFW-LHR, and 9W LHR-DEL, and you'll avoid the BA fuel surcharges.
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Old Feb 1, 2011, 11:31 pm
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You have to limit yourself to AAdvantage partners, not to oneworld carriers. Fly AA HNL-DFW-LHR, and 9W LHR-DEL, and you'll avoid the BA fuel surcharges.
Good point. And one I should have remembered as I have taken the 9W service from LHR-BOM many times in First
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