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docr775 Dec 6, 2010 4:59 pm

Decrease in catering or were we all too thirsty?
 
I know that there have been several threads about the low supply of Glenlivet on AA flights (which seems to be in more than adequate quantities on US flights) but last night I hit a first:


I was on AA 1976 DFW-IND, pre-departure drinks were served, then once in flight, the FA started pouring doubles; F was full; half way through the flight the FA goes to coach to raid the drink cart of scotch, Jack Daniels and Jim Bean, and half way through the flight the only the only thing left on the plane that qualifies as such is Canadian Club.

So my question is: did AA cut back on catering or I was part of a group of candidates for the next Alcoholic Anonymus?

KD5MDK Dec 6, 2010 5:10 pm

That's probably more drinking than average, and I'll bet the doubles may have been involved.

Blumie Dec 6, 2010 6:23 pm

If I were flying DFW-IND, I'd be drinking heavily, too.

demkr Dec 6, 2010 6:29 pm

Considering the presentday AA mentality is to cut things left and right, (also known as an "enhancement" in AA language)....I wouldn't be shocked if they have cut back on catering.

I have noticed less attentive service from the FAs, less refill offerings in the last year especially.

Lately I've noticed FA's sitting down or chatting in the galley longer than they did in the past. Sometimes atleast 20-25 minutes before beverage service is offered.

After the service is over, maybe one round of refills and then they are confined to the galley almost for the rest of the flight.

Blumie Dec 6, 2010 6:33 pm


Originally Posted by demkr (Post 15395150)
Considering the presentday AA mentality is to cut things left and right, (also known as an "enhancement" in AA language)....I wouldn't be shocked if they have cut back on catering.

I have noticed less attentive service from the FAs, less refill offerings in the last year especially.

Lately I've noticed FA's sitting down or chatting in the galley longer than they did in the past. Sometimes atleast 20-25 minutes before beverage service is offered.

After the service is over, maybe one round of refills and then they are confined to the galley almost for the rest of the flight.

Maybe it's time for you to change your carrier.

demkr Dec 6, 2010 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by Blumie (Post 15395169)
Maybe it's time for you to change your carrier.

I see your point based on my issues as of late, however, it's not going to be feasible this year because most of my travel is booked months in advance for 2011.

I can gripe to the end on these things but they aren't too major of a frustration. Because they give you so many employee recognition certificates as an EXP, I almost always hand one to an FA when they actually greet pax as they come on the plane, as opposed to hemming and hawwing because they weren't ready for boarding!

The drink refills is honestly something that I've *just* noticed in the past few months ... so I'm not sure if its a cost cutting issue or just additional poor service. I will keep my options in mind for the future, but for 2011, I'm choiceless. :o

mvoight Dec 6, 2010 6:45 pm

So, how many doubles did you have?

Global_Hi_Flyer Dec 6, 2010 6:50 pm

Sounds like the time that a large group of us were on a flight to an award meeting.... a senior executive of the company handed out $100 bills to the FAs and said "keep pouring till you run out of booze....":p

WillR Dec 6, 2010 6:54 pm

After three singles of JD on a PHX-ORD flight yesterday, and about to order a fourth, the plane was dry of drinkable bourbon. Only Mr Beam's turpentine remained :(

diaspora04 Dec 6, 2010 8:19 pm


Originally Posted by WillR (Post 15395287)
After three singles of JD on a PHX-ORD flight yesterday, and about to order a fourth, the plane was dry of drinkable bourbon. Only Mr Beam's turpentine remained :(

Strictly speaking, JD is not bourbon.

docr775 Dec 6, 2010 8:34 pm


Originally Posted by mvoight (Post 15395237)
So, how many doubles did you have?

2 JDs and 1 CC.

docr775 Dec 6, 2010 8:36 pm


Originally Posted by Blumie (Post 15395118)
If I were flying DFW-IND, I'd be drinking heavily, too.

I do it about 20 times a year.

TR7_DFW Dec 6, 2010 9:03 pm

Drink heavily or fly DFW-IND twenty times a year?


:D

HighPotter Dec 6, 2010 9:19 pm


Originally Posted by docr775 (Post 15395935)
2 JDs and 1 CC.


On my last ORD-LAX, asked for a healthy bit of scotch, and after checking, she told me they had Chivas and Glenlivet left.( Chivas is NOT scotch) " Glenlivet thank you !"....no brainer.( Thought it was only offered on internationals??).

When they FA returned, my glass was nearly filled to the TOP of my glass.
I honestly don't think the FA knew what she was pouring....

Needless to say, there is a small place in hell, for those that waste good scotch.
;)

HP

brp Dec 6, 2010 9:24 pm


Originally Posted by HighPotter (Post 15396273)
( Chivas is NOT scotch) " Glenlivet thank you !"....no brainer.

Chivas most definitely is Scotch Whisky. It's not single malt. And, if you're ever in Scotland, don't ask for Scotch unless you want to insult them.

Given that Glenlivet 12 is at the bottom of the barrel for actual single malt, it's not really that much of a no-brainer.

Let's see- Johnny Blue or Glenlivet 12...

Cheers.

KD5MDK Dec 6, 2010 9:48 pm

Just so you know, Glenlivet is on every AA mainline domestic flight.

HighPotter Dec 6, 2010 9:51 pm


Originally Posted by brp (Post 15396306)
Chivas most definitely is Scotch Whisky. It's not single malt. And, if you're ever in Scotland, don't ask for Scotch unless you want to insult them.

Given that Glenlivet 12 is at the bottom of the barrel for actual single malt, it's not really that much of a no-brainer.

Let's see- Johnny Blue or Glenlivet 12...

Cheers.

So if I understand you correctly, you would have chosen the Chivas instead?

And my comment on Chivas NOT being Scotch was tongue in cheek....my opinion only.

And since I haven't been to Scotland., I will continue to order "Scotch". Yes I do know the difference between Single Malt and the rest.

Sorry I touched a nerve.

HP

brp Dec 6, 2010 9:56 pm


Originally Posted by HighPotter (Post 15396465)
Sorry I touched a nerve.

HP

No nerves. With the levels of inaccuracy here on FT, I figured that this was another one. Since I know something about this (and did get a very stern and correction for ordering "Scotch" in Scotland :D) I figured I'd correct this as well.

Cheers.

WillR Dec 6, 2010 10:09 pm


Originally Posted by diaspora04 (Post 15395835)
Strictly speaking, JD is not bourbon.

Touché. Sour mash whiskey then.

Although, I have just checked wikipedia and can't see which of the legal requirements for the appellation "bourbon " aren't met. Apparently being produced in Kentucky is no longer one...

HighPotter Dec 6, 2010 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by brp (Post 15396500)
No nerves. With the levels of inaccuracy here on FT, I figured that this was another one. Since I know something about this (and did get a very stern and correction for ordering "Scotch" in Scotland :D) I figured I'd correct this as well.

Cheers.


Not a problem.
To be honest, I was just shocked that the FA poured a quadruple+(sp)?.....Did she see something in my eyes? lol ;)

HP

KtownTraveler Dec 6, 2010 10:15 pm


Originally Posted by WillR (Post 15396573)
I have just checked wikipedia and can't see which of the legal requirements for the appellation "bourbon " aren't met.

Too much corn. And filtered. W L Weller is better anyway. But everyone seems to expect JD.

fishferbrains Dec 7, 2010 5:39 am


Originally Posted by HighPotter (Post 15396273)
On my last ORD-LAX, asked for a healthy bit of scotch, and after checking, she told me they had Chivas and Glenlivet left.( Chivas is NOT scotch) " Glenlivet thank you !"....no brainer.( Thought it was only offered on internationals??).

When they FA returned, my glass was nearly filled to the TOP of my glass.
I honestly don't think the FA knew what she was pouring....

Needless to say, there is a small place in hell, for those that waste good scotch.
;)

HP

....and trusting that you finished the glass, you avoided hell for both of you correct?

HNL Dec 7, 2010 6:23 am

I think spiff must have been on the OPs flight.

sts603 Dec 7, 2010 8:57 am


Originally Posted by brp (Post 15396306)
It's not single malt. And, if you're ever in Scotland, don't ask for Scotch unless you want to insult them.
.

I've been to Scotland and didn't notice this. Granted, I would order by brand/year. What should one order instead of "scotch"?

brp Dec 7, 2010 9:14 am


Originally Posted by sts603 (Post 15398915)
I've been to Scotland and didn't notice this. Granted, I would order by brand/year. What should one order instead of "scotch"?

I was in a B&B in Aberdeen, and asked what kind of Scotch they had. The waitress fixed me with a steely gaze and, in an almost dangerous tone, asked "You mean whisky don't 'cha, laddie?"

Apparently, there, there is no other kind :)

Cheers.

sts603 Dec 7, 2010 9:35 am


Originally Posted by brp (Post 15399039)
I was in a B&B in Aberdeen, and asked what kind of Scotch they had. The waitress fixed me with a steely gaze and, in an almost dangerous tone, asked "You mean whisky don't 'cha, laddie?"

Apparently, there, there is no other kind :)

Cheers.

Good to know. Its high on my list of places to return to :)

Thumper Dec 7, 2010 9:41 am


Originally Posted by brp (Post 15396306)
Chivas most definitely is Scotch Whisky. It's not single malt. And, if you're ever in Scotland, don't ask for Scotch unless you want to insult them.

Given that Glenlivet 12 is at the bottom of the barrel for actual single malt, it's not really that much of a no-brainer.

Let's see- Johnny Blue or Glenlivet 12...

Cheers.

I'm obviously on the wrong AA flights.

Which routes exactly are now serving Johnny Blue?
I'll change my business plans.

sts603 Dec 7, 2010 9:46 am


Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 15399227)
I'm obviously on the wrong AA flights.

Which routes exactly are now serving Johnny Blue?
I'll change my business plans.

No AA flights. But the Galleries F lounge at LHR in T5 was serving it last month.

Thumper Dec 7, 2010 9:52 am


Originally Posted by sts603 (Post 15399267)
No AA flights. But the Galleries F lounge at LHR in T5 was serving it last month.

Finally a reason to get excited when I visit our Slough office! :p

777lover Dec 7, 2010 10:01 am

Flew DFW-LAX on a 757...we ran out of JD after one round. Raided the back and we were able to have a second round. So maybe they have cut back on the number of minis.

AH-64D Dec 7, 2010 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by KD5MDK (Post 15396448)
Just so you know, Glenlivet is on every AA mainline domestic flight.

Yup, a whole two bottles for a total of 100ml.

Greg76248 Dec 7, 2010 6:13 pm

But what about the Diet Coke? Seems every time I fly LHR-DFW or LHR-ORD, all of the Diet Coke is gone before the pre-landing snack is served. Always plenty of Diet Pepsi, though. You'd think they would notice this trend....

janetdoe Dec 7, 2010 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by WillR (Post 15396573)
Touché. Sour mash whiskey then.

Although, I have just checked wikipedia and can't see which of the legal requirements for the appellation "bourbon " aren't met. Apparently being produced in Kentucky is no longer one...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon...l_requirements


Originally Posted by KtownTraveler (Post 15396601)
Too much corn. And filtered. W L Weller is better anyway. But everyone seems to expect JD.

Nope - there is a minimum corn content, but no max. JD claims it's the charcoal filtering that nixes JD - I'm not sure where that violates the definition of Bourbon, unless it's somehow construed as a 'flavoring'.


Charcoal Mellowing makes Jack Daniel's what it is – a Tennessee Whiskey and not a Bourbon. It refines our whiskey's rich flavor even before we fully mature it in barrels of our own making.

Originally Posted by HighPotter (Post 15396273)
Needless to say, there is a small place in hell, for those that waste good scotch.

My husband drinks Scotch and Coke. Surely he belongs in the 9th circle of hell. :eek:

HighPotter Dec 7, 2010 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by janetdoe (Post 15402866)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourbon...l_requirements



Nope - there is a minimum corn content, but no max. JD claims it's the charcoal filtering that nixes JD - I'm not sure where that violates the definition of Bourbon, unless it's somehow construed as a 'flavoring'.





My husband drinks Scotch and Coke. Surely he belongs in the 9th circle of hell. :eek:

Jane...we all have our little places of hell....:p

HP

KtownTraveler Dec 7, 2010 10:48 pm


Originally Posted by janetdoe (Post 15402866)
Nope - there is a minimum corn content, but no max.

Your opinion is not endorsed here.

ricktoronto Dec 8, 2010 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by WillR (Post 15396573)
Touché. Sour mash whiskey then.

Although, I have just checked wikipedia and can't see which of the legal requirements for the appellation "bourbon " aren't met. Apparently being produced in Kentucky is no longer one...

Jack Daniels is not Bourbon because it is filtered though granules of carbon before barreling. Some Bourbons are filtered, after aging and before bottling. The effect of adding flavour through the filtration is apparently what makes it not Bourbon which disallows any flavour or colouring added or imparted.

Many Bourbons are in fact sour mash, all which that means the mash from a last batch is added to the new batch. Akin to starter for sourdough always being used in the next batch for generations. It doesn't really matter as it is not really very good and there are better real Bourbons available in the same price range.

Notwithstanding its averageness, if you are near Nashville (used to be a great AA hub ex-YYZ) a side trip to Lynchburg for the tour is worth it. No samples. It's a dry county but they don't give samples to to other regulations and hassle. Apparently they could give samples under county law if they wanted to. They give you very nice lemonade.

sica4 Dec 8, 2010 6:21 pm

Good for you guys, I normally roll with just a club soda ;)

KD5MDK Dec 8, 2010 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by AH-64D (Post 15401989)
Yup, a whole two bottles for a total of 100ml.

I've often seen 4. Anyway, as long as I get them.

docr775 Dec 8, 2010 8:23 pm


Originally Posted by KD5MDK (Post 15410785)
I've often seen 4. Anyway, as long as I get them.

Two in F and two in Y. You just have to ask nicely!

janetdoe Dec 8, 2010 11:02 pm


Originally Posted by KtownTraveler (Post 15404081)
Your opinion is not endorsed here.

Wow - I didn't know a direct statement of the law qualified as an opinion. :rolleyes:

If you read through the entire text of the link you posted, you will also see this:

Regarding above, international agreements may stipulate that bourbon be at no more than 79% corn. But US law has no such restriction as can be seen at [link]. US law does not explicitly exclude charcoal filtering prior to aging for bourbon, so legally Jack and GD probably qualify as bourbon.
So I guess your opinion is not supported by your link, either. Hmm...

Originally Posted by KtownTraveler (Post 15396601)
Too much corn. And filtered.



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