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Old Oct 13, 09, 5:16 pm
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AA applies for JFK-BOG

American Airlines has applied with the Department of Transportation today to begin daily 757-200 service between JFK and Bogota, using Delta's BOG frequencies.

http://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf75/604.pdf

AA 927 JFK 1600-2145 BOG 757 Daily
AA 938 BOG 0900-1445 JFK 757 Daily

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Old Oct 13, 09, 7:30 pm
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Fantastic news! It is great to see AA's Latin American network expanding, especially out of JFK.

But why, oh why, couldn't it be 763 service? Certainly there would be the cAArgo demand that could justify widebody service, right?

At bare minimum, let's hope it's 75L.
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Old Oct 13, 09, 7:49 pm
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Let's hope it's 75L.
Nope, it's a slaveship (it says so in the application, although this specific term isn't used), and the flight lenght is 5:45.
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Nice to see that AA is challenging Delta for this frequency.

This year Ive flown MIA-BOG on the 763 in J and the 757 in Y. Both were nice but I agree that the 763 would be nicer on the longer JFK-BOG run.
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Nope, it's a slaveship (it says so in the application, although this specific term isn't used), and the flight lenght is 5:45.
I can't read the linked application as it asks for a password, but does the application really specify that the service will be operated on a 757 with a domestic configuration? Surely the DoT only cares about the aircraft used, not how the airline lays out the seats, for the purposes of an application?
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The DOT may very well care about the configuration, or more specifically, the total capacity planned on the route.

Alternatively, it may have something to do with ETOPS vs. non-ETOPS.
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Originally Posted by ijgordon View Post
Alternatively, it may have something to do with ETOPS vs. non-ETOPS.

AFAIK, all of AA's currently-operating 752s are certified to at least ETOPS120. But it wouldn't matter in this case... If you pull up JFK-BOG on Great Circle Mapper, you will see that the routing is due South (180), and is within ETOPS60, much less 120 or 180. So, no ETOPS issues there.
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Originally Posted by MAH4546 View Post
American Airlines has applied with the Department of Transportation today to begin daily 757-200 service between JFK and Bogota, using Delta's BOG frequencies.

http://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf75/604.pdf

AA 927 JFK 1600-2145 BOG 757 Daily
AA 938 BOG 0900-1445 JFK 757 Daily
i know i'm jumping ahead, but does the application (password protected) mention projected start operating day? i have a wedding in BAQ 2010, would be nice to fly JFK-BOG in the morning and hop on a short flight to BAQ.
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Originally Posted by jlp187 View Post
i know i'm jumping ahead, but does the application (password protected) mention projected start operating day? i have a wedding in BAQ 2010, would be nice to fly JFK-BOG in the morning and hop on a short flight to BAQ.
ok, i answered my own question

see below:
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American Airlines, Inc.

OST-2009-XXXX - Allocation of Seven Weekly US-Colombia Combination Frequencies (JFK-Bogota)

October 13, 2009

Application for an Allocation of Seven Weekly US-Colombia Combination Frequencies

American Airlines, Inc. hereby applies for an allocation of seven weekly US-Colombia combination frequencies in order to operate daily New York JFK-Bogota service beginning January 5, 2010, or within 60 days of the Department's decision. To fund American's request, we seek the transfer of authority from Delta Air Lines, Inc., which was awarded seven weekly JFK-Bogota frequencies in the 2007 2008 US-Colombia Combination Frequency Allocation Proceeding, final Order 2008-5-27, May 21, 2008.

On October 1, 2009, Delta filed a motion for "flexibility" to use its New York-Bogota award for additional service to Bogota from Atlanta (OST-2007-0006). By" flexibility" Delta apparently intends to move all of its Colombia service to Atlanta. As we show below, the Department should re-allocate Delta's seven frequencies to American for JFK-Bogota nonstop service, and should deny Delta's motion.

American's service proposal will provide significant public benefits in the New York-Bogota market. Southbound, American will depart JFK at 1600 and arrive in Bogota at 2145. Northbound, American will depart Bogota at 0900 and arrive in New York at 1445. American will utilize 188-seat B757 aircraft (22C/166Y), and will offer convenient connections via JFK to a number of behind cities on American and American Eagle.

Counsel: American, Carl Nelson, 202-496-5647
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Originally Posted by ESpen36 View Post
Fantastic news! It is great to see AA's Latin American network expanding, especially out of JFK.

But why, oh why, couldn't it be 763 service? Certainly there would be the cAArgo demand that could justify widebody service, right?

At bare minimum, let's hope it's 75L.
Before even opening this thread, I predicted that there would be posts cheering this move, and others lamenting that AA didn't do something different. It's great that you can pack both predictable reactions into the same post.
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Before even opening this thread, I predicted that there would be posts cheering this move, and others lamenting that AA didn't do something different. It's great that you can pack both predictable reactions into the same post.
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BTW, this route isn't a given. DL wants to move it to ATL. AA wants the route to be given to them from DL. DL will say this will effectively maintain limited competition from US to BOG. AA will say there are no non-stops from JFK. Who knows (a) what an administrative law judge will do or (b) if there is something else out there between DL and AA that will have AA withdraw its objection in exchange for DL ...
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Originally Posted by C17PSGR View Post
BTW, this route isn't a given. DL wants to move it to ATL. AA wants the route to be given to them from DL. DL will say this will effectively maintain limited competition from US to BOG. AA will say there are no non-stops from JFK. Who knows (a) what an administrative law judge will do or (b) if there is something else out there between DL and AA that will have AA withdraw its objection in exchange for DL ...
Spirit also wants the frequencies.

An ALJ won't decide this issue, but you are right that it is far from a given. That being said, awarding the frequencies to AA will most likely end the legal controversy surrounding the prior revocation of AA's 7 Colombia frequencies. But the current folks in DOT-OST are not known for being the most supportive of AA's requests in Latin America when another carrier has requested the same fequencies.

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Originally Posted by hillrider View Post
Nope, it's a slaveship (it says so in the application, although this specific term isn't used), and the flight lenght is 5:45.
You mean AA doesn't use "Slaveship" as an internal designation?
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Old Oct 15, 09, 1:03 am
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Originally Posted by DCAstudent View Post
Spirit also wants the frequencies.
No, they don't. Spirit did not apply for the frequencies, Spirit just said Delta should not be granted the ability to make them flexible. Spirit just wants to keep precedent to protect themselves from future filings, but they actually made it clear in their response that they have no need for the frequencies.
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