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AA Press Release (Dec 12, 2013) - American Airlines Announces Large Regional Jet Purchase

Bombardier CRJ900 NextGen
• Firm orders for 30+ options for up to 40 more
• 12F / 32Y+ / 32Y configuration
• Delivery starting Q2 2014
• To be operated by PSA in American Eagle livery

Embraer E175
• Firm orders for 60+ options for up to 90 more
• 12F / 20Y+ / 44Y configuration
• Delivery starting Q1 2015
• Operator(s) TBD but will be in American Eagle livery

New planes will be used to replace inefficient 50 seat aircraft.
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AA Orders 60 Embraer 175 / E-175 + 30 Bombardier CRJ900

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Old Dec 12, 2013, 5:55 am
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AA Orders 60 Embraer 175 / E-175 + 30 Bombardier CRJ900

Embraer announced today that it has received a firm order for 60 E175 jets from American Airlines, Inc. The contract also includes options for another 90 E175s, taking the total order potential up to 150 aircraft. The firm orders, which have a value of USD 2.5 billion at list price, will be included in Embraer's 2013 fourth-quarter backlog.

"We are delighted with this remarkable order from American Airlines, one of the most respected and renowned airlines worldwide. American achieved impressive results with the ERJ 145 aircraft family, and we are sure that will continue with the E175, the most fuel efficient, cost effective, and passenger friendly 76 seater in the market today - which makes the E175 the clear choice of North American airlines, and proven with hundreds of orders this year," said Paulo Cesar Silva, President & CEO, Embraer Commercial Aviation. "Embraer is honored to provide the new American with the E175, and it is committed to supporting the development of the new airline, to which we wish great success."

American Airlines will configure the E175s with 12 First Class, 20 Main Cabin Extra and 44 Main Cabin seats, with a total of 76 seats. The delivery of the first aircraft is scheduled for the first quarter of 2015.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/emb...k=MW_news_stmp

Edit: It looks like they have ordered 30 CRJ900's as well, with an option for 40 more

American has firm orders for 30 Bombardier CRJ900 NextGen aircraft, with options for up to 40 more. The CRJ900s will have 12 First Class, 32 Main Cabin Extra and 32 Main Cabin seats, and the firm order of CRJ900 aircraft will be operated on behalf of American by PSA Airlines, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of US Airways. American expects to begin taking delivery of the CRJ900s in the second quarter of 2014.
http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-...750.html?dsk=y

AAL Press Release regarding both: http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease...l-jet-purchase

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Originally Posted by dfwgolfer1
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/emb...k=MW_news_stmp

Edit: It looks like they have ordered 30 CRJ900's as well, with an option for 40 more



http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-...750.html?dsk=y

AAL Press Release regarding both: http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease...l-jet-purchase
This is very good news after flying on one of the new 175s. Particularly if they are deployed regionally from LAX.

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And this is in addition to (and separate from) the order of 47 aircraft that Republic has been acquiring to operate on AA's behalf, right?
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American to Order Up to 220 New RJs from Bombardier and Embraer

It looks like AAL is making a solid commitment to Eagle here and getting much nicer planes to boot.

This story just crossed the wire in our newsroom.

American Airlines Places Orders for 220 Regional Jets from Bombardier and Embraer

American Airlines, which merged with US Airways earlier this week to become the world’s largest carrier, announced plans to purchase up to 220 new regional jets from two aircraft manufacturers, Bombardier and Embraer.

The airline plans to use them to replace its less efficient 50-seat planes….

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Here's the AA release. The CRJ-900s (configured 12F, 32 MCE, 32 Y) will be operated by PSA. 30 orders / 40 options.

The operator of the E175 will be determined 'at a later date'.

All plans will be in Eagle livery.

http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease...l-jet-purchase
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I find it quite interesting that MCE is not only on the aircraft but exists at a 1:1 ratio with MC on the CRJ900. That and 12 F seats. Is this a sign of the trend going forward? If so, ^.

EDIT: Oh, nvm, they're both at exactly 76 seats. Probably something to with scope? Can one of the experts answer?
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Originally Posted by flyingmusicianlax
EDIT: Oh, nvm, they're both at exactly 76 seats. Probably something to with scope? Can one of the experts answer?
*ding* *ding* *ding*

You are exactly right. Anything over 76 seats has to be operated by mainline pilots. Prior to bankruptcy, the scope contract also severely limited the number of 76-seaters, so this expansion/order to adjust the fleet is not completely expected.
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Originally Posted by ty97
*ding* *ding* *ding*

You are exactly right. Anything over 76 seats has to be operated by mainline pilots. Prior to bankruptcy, the scope contract also severely limited the number of 76-seaters, so this expansion/order to adjust the fleet is not completely expected.
Couldn't they renegotiate the contract during bankruptcy? 76 seats on E175 and CRJ900 seems to be too much a luxury? 80-84 seats seems to be more economical? No?
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Old Dec 12, 2013, 8:15 am
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Originally Posted by chongcao
Couldn't they renegotiate the contract during bankruptcy? 76 seats on E175 and CRJ900 seems to be too much a luxury? 80-84 seats seems to be more economical? No?
The expanded regional flying was the renegotiated contract. It is a substantial expansion from the previous limit.

If adding more seats isn't an option, the only other choice would be smaller airframes, and my guess--remembering that I have a fantastic track record as an armchair CEO--is that the difference in airframe and ongoing operating costs for these birds was small enough to make the comparatively large F and MCE cabins make sense.
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Originally Posted by chongcao
Couldn't they renegotiate the contract during bankruptcy? 76 seats on E175 and CRJ900 seems to be too much a luxury? 80-84 seats seems to be more economical? No?
I am not privy to what was discussed during negotiations, so I can't say if AA tried to expand the seat limit. But prior to BK, there was a cap on the number Eagle planes that could have more than 50 seats, and that cap was rather low. Thanks to BK, AA now has 47 Republic E-175s coming on board and has just ordered (up to) 220 more 76-seaters. That represents 137 planes coming intot he fleet with 130 more possible via options. None of these 76-seat Eagle branded planes could have been added pre-BK, so AA definitely gained major concessions in this area during BK.
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From my observations of US's regional ops in this area (YYZ) these will be used to modernize the US regional fleet and bring it up to the new AA standard (just flew a regional E175 that was so new, it had that new plane smell!). AA has pretty much put E175s and CR7s on every regional flight to/from YYZ with maybe one or two E145s left to ORD and JFK midday. Believe me, it's such a pleasure riding these new planes in F instead of the cramped CRJs and E145s we had last year! It will be nice to have another two gateways with modern regional jets to PHL or CLT.
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Originally Posted by ty97
I am not privy to what was discussed during negotiations, so I can't say if AA tried to expand the seat limit. But prior to BK, there was a cap on the number Eagle planes that could have more than 50 seats, and that cap was rather low. Thanks to BK, AA now has 47 Republic E-175s coming on board and has just ordered (up to) 220 more 76-seaters. That represents 137 planes coming intot he fleet with 130 more possible via options. None of these 76-seat Eagle branded planes could have been added pre-BK, so AA definitely gained major concessions in this area during BK.
Obviously some major rule changes at AA, not sure what the terms have been over at US. And although AA has some orders for the 737MAX, there's still a gap between 76-seaters and 130-seaters, where Bombardier and Embraer are fighting it out, with the former's CS100 already in the air.
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Interesting...musta been a fire sale on 900s--thought the CRJ was going the way of the dodo. Ot sure what crewing differences will be but AA ordering/allotting these not only controls capacity but also ensures standardization of hard product across carriers.
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Couldn't they renegotiate the contract during bankruptcy? 76 seats on E175 and CRJ900 seems to be too much a luxury? 80-84 seats seems to be more economical? No?
DL (and, AFAIK, UA) have 76-seat limits. It would have been hard for AA to argue in bankruptcy court that it needed a higher seat count.
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