What will be te 59 aircraft to go bye bye?

Old May 19, 05, 7:15 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 44
What will be te 59 aircraft to go bye bye?

What will be te 59 aircraft to go bye bye?

Did they say on the call, I did not see anything in the press release. Hopefully all those crappy 737 they both fly.

Also, what is the current fleet make up of both carriers?
TravelDude is offline  
Old May 19, 05, 7:52 pm
  #2  
Moderator: American AAdvantage & Marriott Bonvoy
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: PHX
Programs: American ExPlat; Marriott/SPG Lifetime Plat; Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 8,037
Originally Posted by TravelDude
What will be te 59 aircraft to go bye bye?

Did they say on the call, I did not see anything in the press release. Hopefully all those crappy 737 they both fly.

Also, what is the current fleet make up of both carriers?
He said the 767's will be replaced with A330's, to be later replaced with the new A350's (as the new model's first customer).

HP's program has been to gradually replace the 737's with A320's & A319's. Given the Airbus equity participation in this deal, it's safe to assume that will continue, though I didn't hear the specifics on the call today.
AZ Travels the World is offline  
Old May 19, 05, 8:55 pm
  #3  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: PIT/DFW/MEL; AA Exec. Platinum & 4MM, QF WP
Posts: 7,689
Originally Posted by TravelDude
What will be te 59 aircraft to go bye bye?

Did they say on the call, I did not see anything in the press release. Hopefully all those crappy 737 they both fly.

Also, what is the current fleet make up of both carriers?
it's 71 aircraft going buh-bye, all at US Airways. 13 A320's are being delivered to HP, for a net systemwide reduction of 58 aircraft. Presumably HP is cancelling any retirements it had been eyeing within its own fleet.
martin33 is offline  
Old May 19, 05, 9:04 pm
  #4  
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: PHX/SFO/LAX
Programs: AA-EXP (1.7MM), BA-Slvr, HH-Diamond
Posts: 7,784
Red face

Originally Posted by martin33
it's 71 aircraft going buh-bye, all at US Airways. 13 A320's are being delivered to HP, for a net systemwide reduction of 58 aircraft. Presumably HP is cancelling any retirements it had been eyeing within its own fleet.
HP can't begin to retire any aircraft until 2008.
ByrdluvsAWACO is offline  
Old May 19, 05, 9:39 pm
  #5  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: DCA
Programs: AA Executive Platinum
Posts: 2,063
GE is US's largest aircraft supplier. US had an order for up to 400 Airbus planes that it placed in 1997. That order was delayed and many planes were cancelled during the first trip through Ch11, and the remainder of the narrow-body deliveries have been cancelled by now. US's only surviving order is for additional A330 aircraft, most if not all of which have been converted into an order for A330-200 aircraft, designed to complement the A330-300's that are in current use and to replace the aging 767-200's, most of which US received in fulfillment of PI's original order for them in the late 1980's.

As martin33 said, the aircraft will all be coming from US. US owns a very large portion of its Boeing fleet. On the other hand, they own very little of their Airbus fleet. I don't believe that any lessors would want the Boeings back, so would it be safe to assume that mostly Airbus aircraft will be returned? If so, returning 71 planes will put a huge damper on the number of Airbus aircraft the new airline will fly. Will we be seeing the Boeings around for a lot longer than we expected?
GotCalcio4 is offline  
Old May 19, 05, 9:50 pm
  #6  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: PHX
Programs: HP/US
Posts: 250
Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
HP can't begin to retire any aircraft until 2008.
Actually, I just got done listening to the employee webcast that Doug just did from CHQ. There are 59 aircraft going away, most of those will be US but HP will lose some 737's and 319's. US has already started preparing to remove theirs from service. No time frame on when HP will lose ours. Doug did say that the lessor wants them back at staggered times so they can get rid of them (probably to Asia like the TZ birds).
Look for the US name to start appearing by the end of the year, after the courts approve the transaction.

Last edited by snokums925; May 19, 05 at 9:53 pm
snokums925 is offline  
Old May 19, 05, 11:43 pm
  #7  
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: PHX/SFO/LAX
Programs: AA-EXP (1.7MM), BA-Slvr, HH-Diamond
Posts: 7,784
Question

Originally Posted by snokums925
Actually, I just got done listening to the employee webcast that Doug just did from CHQ. There are 59 aircraft going away, most of those will be US but HP will lose some 737's and 319's.
59 over what time period? There are actually 71 US planes going away by the end of 2006.

I wonder how HP ended up losing some A319's? Those are HP's transcon workhorses. It wasn't mentioned in the press release.
ByrdluvsAWACO is offline  
Old May 20, 05, 12:30 am
  #8  
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: In the home of the "brave"?
Programs: Whatever will get me out of Y and into C or F!
Posts: 3,748
Remember that some of HP's A320's where originally ordered by Braniff II and thus are a bit long in the tooth for A320's.

(Are they even pre-wingtips like some of AF's?)

Of course then there are the 757's that both companies have which were ordered by EA and the US 767's and 737's that were delivered to PI.
HeHateY is offline  
Old May 20, 05, 5:45 am
  #9  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: RIC
Programs: AA Plat, HH Gold
Posts: 296
Originally Posted by martin33
it's 71 aircraft going buh-bye, all at US Airways. 13 A320's are being delivered to HP, for a net systemwide reduction of 58 aircraft. Presumably HP is cancelling any retirements it had been eyeing within its own fleet.
Hey martin33 where are you getting all your information??? All the planes are not coming from US some are coming from HP this has to do with GE wanting to lower its exposure to the new airline. In another post you said there would be a 25% staff reduction at US which also is not true. I have been listening to the webcast and Doug has been very open about providing information for customers and employees.
RICflyer is offline  
Old May 20, 05, 8:02 am
  #10  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: PHX
Programs: HP/US
Posts: 250
Transcons

Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
59 over what time period? There are actually 71 US planes going away by the end of 2006.

I wonder how HP ended up losing some A319's? Those are HP's transcon workhorses. It wasn't mentioned in the press release.
That is another issue--no more transcons. Scott Kirby said HP is pulling the plug for now on the BOS/JFK-LAX routes. He did say that you will continue to see US and their PHL-LAX.
snokums925 is offline  
Old May 20, 05, 11:53 am
  #11  
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: PHX/SFO/LAX
Programs: AA-EXP (1.7MM), BA-Slvr, HH-Diamond
Posts: 7,784
Angry What?????????????

Originally Posted by snokums925
That is another issue--no more transcons. Scott Kirby said HP is pulling the plug for now on the BOS/JFK-LAX routes. He did say that you will continue to see US and their PHL-LAX.
When did he say that? That would be completely stupid. The loads on those flights were doing good.

This totally eliminates HP as an option out of LAX.
ByrdluvsAWACO is offline  
Old May 20, 05, 12:12 pm
  #12  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: HH Gold, AA Gold
Posts: 9,942
Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
When did he say that? That would be completely stupid. The loads on those flights were doing good.

This totally eliminates HP as an option out of LAX.
I know I sound like a broken record, but high load factors do NOT necessarily mean profitable flights. Heck, I could stimulate a lot of demand from BOS-LAX by offering $99 each way (and throw in a free meal and you've got people lining up by the hundreds).
formeraa is offline  
Old May 20, 05, 12:55 pm
  #13  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: PHX
Programs: HP/US
Posts: 250
Originally Posted by ByrdluvsAWACO
When did he say that? That would be completely stupid. The loads on those flights were doing good.

This totally eliminates HP as an option out of LAX.
This was also brought up and confirmed in an early conference call this morning.
snokums925 is offline  
Old May 20, 05, 2:11 pm
  #14  
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: PHX/SFO/LAX
Programs: AA-EXP (1.7MM), BA-Slvr, HH-Diamond
Posts: 7,784
Thumbs down I can't believe it.

Originally Posted by snokums925
This was also brought up and confirmed in an early conference call this morning.
Well that just sucks. I was considering coming back to HP on some transcons, but now their network is even more useless.

I just listened to that webcast.

Last edited by ByrdluvsAWACO; May 20, 05 at 2:50 pm
ByrdluvsAWACO is offline  
Old May 20, 05, 5:19 pm
  #15  
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: PIT/DFW/MEL; AA Exec. Platinum & 4MM, QF WP
Posts: 7,689
Originally Posted by RICflyer
All the planes are not coming from US some are coming from HP this has to do with GE wanting to lower its exposure to the new airline. In another post you said there would be a 25% staff reduction at US which also is not true. I have been listening to the webcast and Doug has been very open about providing information for customers and employees.
do you really think they'd announce any bad news straight-faced in the midst of all the hoopla? of course not.

the people-elimination plans follow directly from two sources: 1) the fleet reduction plan, and the needed "rightsizing" of US to make the merger work; and 2) Doug's own statements at the webcasts-- combine the one about "35,000 jobs" with the one about not needing "42,000 people", and the bodycount calculates itself... one can presume they'll all be ex-US bodies.

as to counting planes, the source is their own press release-- 71 US Airways planes going, almost all returning to GE:

Fleet/Route System
US Airways/US Airways Express currently serves 179 cities and America West/America West Express serves 96 cities. When merged, the combined airline will become the nationís fifth largest airline, as measured by domestic Available Seat Miles (ASMs). The combined airline is expected to operate a mainline fleet of 361 planes (supported by 239 regional jets and 57 turboprops for feed into the mainline system), down from a total of 419 mainline aircraft operated by both airlines at the beginning of 2005.

US Airways projects returning 25 additional aircraft by the end of 2006, in addition to the 46 aircraft that US Airways already has announced it plans to return. Nearly all of the aircraft are being returned to General Electric Capital Aviation Services (GECAS). The combined airline also will take delivery of 13 Airbus A320 family aircraft previously ordered by America West Airlines.
martin33 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread