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Old Jan 31, 03, 8:23 pm
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first class seats on RJ's

Last year there was a post that suggested that there would be a first class section on any HP RJ's. Is this true or is it expected? They do have this on NW Avro's.
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Old Jan 31, 03, 9:31 pm
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there are First Class seats on CRJ 700 and 900 aircraft operated by Freedom Airlines, a subsidary of Mesa Air Group.

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Old Jan 31, 03, 9:33 pm
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It is true. They have been added to some of the new HP/Freedom Airlines (Mesa Air) 60-seat RJ's. As of now they're only flying from Phoenix (and some Vegas) to Tucson, LAX, Long Beach, Fresno, San Diego, ABQ and maybe a couple of others.

Configuration is first 2 rows of 1-2, for 6 seats.

Can't help you with the NW Avro's.
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Old Jan 31, 03, 9:38 pm
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America West Express (Freedom Air) will operate CRJ900's with 74 coach and 6 first class seats and CRJ700's with 58 coach and 6 first class seats.

Flight 6679 from PHX to Boise on 27APR is an example of the '700 and flight 6679 will be operated with a '900 shortly thereafter. 29JUL is an example.
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HP seriously flying RJs w/ F to FAT?

If I ever stop playing Hamlet with the question of whether or not to leave UA, I might have to consider HP! Who woulda thought?

Now if they only had a partner for my East Coast flights .. at least a way (e.g. via CMH) to fly WAS-MIA or FLL .. I could really make use of them.
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In looking at the PHX-FAT flights, all the RJs w/ F had flight # in the 6700 range. All the ones w/o F had flight #s in the 6000 range.

Any of y'all know if this is true more generally?
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Old Feb 3, 03, 11:25 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gleff:
HP seriously flying RJs w/ F to FAT?

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(Had to look up airport code for FAT, as I've never flown there). Yes, F to FAT (Fresno) looks like 3 of 5 non-stop flights per day, currently.


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Old Feb 3, 03, 11:35 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gleff:
In looking at the PHX-FAT flights, all the RJs w/ F had flight # in the 6700 range. All the ones w/o F had flight #s in the 6000 range.

Any of y'all know if this is true more generally?
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Sort of. From what I've seen the Freedom Airlines flights, which are the larger RJ's with F/C are the 6500, 6600 and 6700 series flight numbers, while the Mesa Airlines RJ's without F/C are lower 6000 series -- 6100, 6200, 6300, & 6400.
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And for those who care about union matters, it looks like Mesa will resolve its pilot union troubles by incorporating non-union Freedom (which flies the big RJs with FC) into the regular Mesa pilots union.

Good news for AWA Express pax, I suppose.
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...none out of cmh, I guess, then. I think having a first class section would be a pretty good marketing idea in our area where commuter jets (and WN) are taking over - at least it would be for me. I will stick to NW with the Avro's and old DC 9's!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by remedy:
...none out of cmh, I guess, then. I think having a first class section would be a pretty good marketing idea in our area where commuter jets (and WN) are taking over - at least it would be for me. I will stick to NW with the Avro's and old DC 9's!</font>
You know, I've had the same thought and am surprised that this isn't more of a priority for them. It seems like it would be a great marketing advantage in that market.

I suspect they're focusing on the California, Tucson, ABQ markets because most of the new RJ flights are replacing larger aircraft that had F/C previously. I know I was certainly surprised (and irritated) to walk up to my flight at LAX to come back to PHX and find that little plane sitting out there -- without first class, no less. That's probably more of a competitive issue for HP since it's so close to home. Hopefully they'll expand the F/C availability if they begin to see that people are responding well to it. Imagine a fleet full of RJ's with F/C -- it seems to me that would fit well with their lower-cost, business-friendly strategy.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by AZ Travels the World:
...I know I was certainly surprised (and irritated) to walk up to my flight at LAX to come back to PHX and find that little plane sitting out there -- without first class, no less...</font>
I book around these flights. I either fly at a different time on a mainline flight or fly Southwest (which has a much better schedule to LAS, LAX, ABQ, etc.). I have a Rapid Rewards account and I'm not afraid to use it!

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