ANA new destinations and Haneda services starting in S20
Jan 18, 2020, 3:15 am
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I’m also sceptical of the Tokyo-Stockholm route, Stockholm struggles to make Long haul work as seen with SQ unwilling to cut the DME stopover and China eastern suspending flights to ARN between Janruary15-June15. ANA May survive on the Stockholm route Daily during the peak summer months but other than that I think this route will struggle for the rest of the year.
Jan 18, 2020, 3:29 am
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https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...rk-expansions/
ANA this week filed flight schedules for its planned service expansion at Tokyo Haneda, for flights to Europe and Australia. Following new routes, previously announced by the airline in November 2019, is filed in the GDS under Flight Information. Reservation will open in the next few weeks.
Tokyo Haneda – Istanbul eff 06JUL20 1 daily 184-seater 787-8
NH219 HND0835 – 1415IST 788 D
NH220 IST1650 – 1025+1HND 788 D
Tokyo Haneda – Milan Malpensa eff 20APR20 3 weekly 215-seater 787-9 (1 daily from 10JUL20)
NH207 HND0055 – 0620MXP 789 146
NH208 MXP1210 – 0700+1HND 789 146
ANA previously operated Milan, the Host City of World Routes 2020, until October 1998, when it operated Osaka Kansai – Milan Malpensa – Rome and Osaka Kansai – Frankfurt – Milan Malpensa.
Tokyo Haneda – Moscow Domodedovo eff 01JUL20 1 daily 767-300ER
NH213 HND0840 – 1310DME 763 D
NH214 DME1505 – 0710+1HND 763 D
ANA previously operated service to Moscow Sheremetyevo until October 2000, with 1 weekly Osaka Kansai – Moscow Sheremetyevo – London Heathrow – Osaka Kansai. Tokyo operation scheduled until April 1997 with 1 weekly Tokyo Narita – Moscow Sheremetyevo – Paris CDG – Tokyo Narita.
Tokyo Haneda – Stockholm Arlanda eff 06JUN20 3 weekly 184-seater 787-8 (1 daily from 21JUL20)
NH221 HND0940 – 1300ARN 788 146
NH222 ARN1420 – 0710+1HND 788 146
Tokyo Haneda – Sydney eff 29MAR20 Increase from 1 to 2 daily, new NH889/890 operated by 246-seater 787-9 (Schedule below from 05APR20)
NH889 HND0845 – 1910SYD 789 D
NH879 HND2230 – 0855+1SYD 789 D
NH890 SYD1200 – 2030HND 789 D
NH880 SYD2055 – 0530+1HND 789 D
ANA has yet to release information on its planned Tokyo Haneda – Qingdao, Tokyo Haneda – San Francisco and Tokyo Haneda – Shenzhen route. The airline is expected to release additional information as early as next week.
ANA this week filed flight schedules for its planned service expansion at Tokyo Haneda, for flights to Europe and Australia. Following new routes, previously announced by the airline in November 2019, is filed in the GDS under Flight Information. Reservation will open in the next few weeks.
Tokyo Haneda – Istanbul eff 06JUL20 1 daily 184-seater 787-8
NH219 HND0835 – 1415IST 788 D
NH220 IST1650 – 1025+1HND 788 D
Tokyo Haneda – Milan Malpensa eff 20APR20 3 weekly 215-seater 787-9 (1 daily from 10JUL20)
NH207 HND0055 – 0620MXP 789 146
NH208 MXP1210 – 0700+1HND 789 146
ANA previously operated Milan, the Host City of World Routes 2020, until October 1998, when it operated Osaka Kansai – Milan Malpensa – Rome and Osaka Kansai – Frankfurt – Milan Malpensa.
Tokyo Haneda – Moscow Domodedovo eff 01JUL20 1 daily 767-300ER
NH213 HND0840 – 1310DME 763 D
NH214 DME1505 – 0710+1HND 763 D
ANA previously operated service to Moscow Sheremetyevo until October 2000, with 1 weekly Osaka Kansai – Moscow Sheremetyevo – London Heathrow – Osaka Kansai. Tokyo operation scheduled until April 1997 with 1 weekly Tokyo Narita – Moscow Sheremetyevo – Paris CDG – Tokyo Narita.
Tokyo Haneda – Stockholm Arlanda eff 06JUN20 3 weekly 184-seater 787-8 (1 daily from 21JUL20)
NH221 HND0940 – 1300ARN 788 146
NH222 ARN1420 – 0710+1HND 788 146
Tokyo Haneda – Sydney eff 29MAR20 Increase from 1 to 2 daily, new NH889/890 operated by 246-seater 787-9 (Schedule below from 05APR20)
NH889 HND0845 – 1910SYD 789 D
NH879 HND2230 – 0855+1SYD 789 D
NH890 SYD1200 – 2030HND 789 D
NH880 SYD2055 – 0530+1HND 789 D
ANA has yet to release information on its planned Tokyo Haneda – Qingdao, Tokyo Haneda – San Francisco and Tokyo Haneda – Shenzhen route. The airline is expected to release additional information as early as next week.
Jan 18, 2020, 3:38 am
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Jan 18, 2020, 10:46 pm
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Me too, I've never seen such an agressive expansion by a Japanese carrier before. Maybe ANA management are having a serious rethink. Stockholm going straight daily in my opinion was far too adventorous given the recent news that China eastern cancelled flights to ARN between January 15 and June 15. If Shanghai can't work, sceptical Tokyo will work unless ANA have a joint venture with SAS.
Jan 19, 2020, 1:08 am
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Me too, I've never seen such an agressive expansion by a Japanese carrier before. Maybe ANA management are having a serious rethink. Stockholm going straight daily in my opinion was far too adventorous given the recent news that China eastern cancelled flights to ARN between January 15 and June 15. If Shanghai can't work, sceptical Tokyo will work unless ANA have a joint venture with SAS.
I would suspect CPH is more attractive than ARN though. Not sure if landing fees are higher in CPH than ARN either.
I guess this will be a rather temporary route, given the previous lack in information... Who knows what will happen past Olympics.
Jan 23, 2020, 2:54 am
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The schedule has been officially announced (in Japanese).
https://www.anahd.co.jp/group/pr/202001/20200123.html
Seems like the additional HND routes will be gradually added until they reach daily capacity as aircraft are shifted around.
The frames for the new routes seem to come from reductions in the Narita to Southeast Asia frequencies.
https://www.anahd.co.jp/group/pr/202001/20200123.html
Seems like the additional HND routes will be gradually added until they reach daily capacity as aircraft are shifted around.
The frames for the new routes seem to come from reductions in the Narita to Southeast Asia frequencies.
Jan 23, 2020, 5:10 am
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The English language version of the announcement is here.
ANA Group Announces Flight Schedule for Fiscal Year 2020 | Press Release | ANA Group Corp.'s Information
ANA Group Announces Flight Schedule for Fiscal Year 2020 | Press Release | ANA Group Corp.'s Information
Jan 23, 2020, 2:28 pm
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Not pleased with the SFO = HND timing:
NH107 San Francisco 1:45 am ⇒ Haneda 5:00 am (+1)
NH108 Haneda 10:55pm ⇒ San Francisco 4:25pm
But maybe the new biz and first seats:?
212 seats (8 First Class / 68 Business Class / 24 Premium Economy / 112 Economy Class)
Sales start date Jan. 27, 2020 after 10:00 a.m. JST
NH107 San Francisco 1:45 am ⇒ Haneda 5:00 am (+1)
NH108 Haneda 10:55pm ⇒ San Francisco 4:25pm
But maybe the new biz and first seats:?
212 seats (8 First Class / 68 Business Class / 24 Premium Economy / 112 Economy Class)
Sales start date Jan. 27, 2020 after 10:00 a.m. JST
Jan 23, 2020, 2:54 pm
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Not pleased with the SFO = HND timing:
NH107 San Francisco 1:45 am ⇒ Haneda 5:00 am (+1)
NH108 Haneda 10:55pm ⇒ San Francisco 4:25pm
But maybe the new biz and first seats:?
212 seats (8 First Class / 68 Business Class / 24 Premium Economy / 112 Economy Class)
Sales start date Jan. 27, 2020 after 10:00 a.m. JST
NH107 San Francisco 1:45 am ⇒ Haneda 5:00 am (+1)
NH108 Haneda 10:55pm ⇒ San Francisco 4:25pm
But maybe the new biz and first seats:?
212 seats (8 First Class / 68 Business Class / 24 Premium Economy / 112 Economy Class)
Sales start date Jan. 27, 2020 after 10:00 a.m. JST
Jan 23, 2020, 9:34 pm
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I am curious about this all the while.
NH is the only full service carrier that flew to HND (other one is Air Asia X and rest is to Nrt) which is usually the airport I preferred if I go to Tokyo.
I am very curious how does the load factor for both KUL HND/NRT for NH since JL dont even offer HND flight from KUL, since they have more flight and more seats then JL (not including code share obviously).
Jan 24, 2020, 7:38 am
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Anyone have any insight as to why the PDF flight schedule provided through the links has times different than what's on their website and booking engines?
For instance, I have an itinerary with a SEA departure to HND and return to IAH from HND. The HND times are the same, but the US times are not.
Seattle Departure on website is 15:35 vs 16:40 on the PDF.
Houston Arrival on website is 7:15 vs 8:40 on the PDF. This would make the flight duration 13.5 hours which can't be right.
Just curious what that is about. Padding for delays?
For instance, I have an itinerary with a SEA departure to HND and return to IAH from HND. The HND times are the same, but the US times are not.
Seattle Departure on website is 15:35 vs 16:40 on the PDF.
Houston Arrival on website is 7:15 vs 8:40 on the PDF. This would make the flight duration 13.5 hours which can't be right.
Just curious what that is about. Padding for delays?
Last edited by Teddy Ruxpin; Jan 24, 2020 at 7:45 am
Jan 24, 2020, 12:46 pm
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Consolidating at HND makes sense ahead of the games. I wonder how well it will work out in the long term for onward passengers. Though Vietnam is not my next destination, the DC area is home to a bunch of people of Vietnamese extraction in Clarendon and Seven Corners. It looks like Ho Chi Minh City service is also moving to Narita, but I wonder if the timetable will be as friendly to them as it has been. You also have people from markets that will only be served by NRT and they'll be unable to access that onward service the same way.
Jan 24, 2020, 4:24 pm
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The fun thing that ANA neglects to talk much about is that the international departures will be split between T2 (current ANA domestic terminal) and T3 (current international terminal) but all arrivals will be at T3 as they did not build an arrival immigration facility in T2 If you read the Japanese press release it talks about international 出発 departures from T2 and domestic 発着 departures and arrivals from T2.
So they will also start having terminal change from international to International. And the terminal change from international to domestic even on the routes departing from T2 will not go away. So I guess international connecting passengers might start to long for Narita.
So they will also start having terminal change from international to International. And the terminal change from international to domestic even on the routes departing from T2 will not go away. So I guess international connecting passengers might start to long for Narita.
Last edited by CPH-Flyer; Jan 24, 2020 at 11:12 pm
Jan 24, 2020, 10:34 pm
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The fun thing that ANA neglects to talk much a out is that the international departures will be split between T2 (current ANA domestic terminal ø) and T3 (current international terminal) but all arrivals will be at T3 as they did not build an arrival immigration facility in T2 If you read the Japanese press release it talks about international 出発 departures from T2 and domestic 発着 departures and arrivals from T2.
So they will also start having terminal change from international to International. And the terminal change from international to domestic even on the routes departing from T2 will not go away. So I guess international connecting passengers might start to long for Narita.
So they will also start having terminal change from international to International. And the terminal change from international to domestic even on the routes departing from T2 will not go away. So I guess international connecting passengers might start to long for Narita.