Business Staggered (77W/788/789/781) seating thread [consolidated]
 

ANA says they are "fully-flat" but seatguru says they are angled flat. Which is correct? and what routes are they used on?

Thanks.

Which route are you flying?

On the 787, the one that flies to FRA are fully flat. The one that flies domestic Japan (and probably intra-Asia) are cradle seats, and therefore not even angled flat.

On the 77W, all routes except MUC, IAD and ORD will have the fully flat seats (I believe SFO/LAX are in the process of changing to fully flat, if not done already). MUC, IAD and ORD have the angled flat seats.

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ANA
Seatguru doesn't have the "new" 77W configurations loaded - even though they've been around for several years.
The 787 plan shown is for regional service (currently also used for domestic flights). The international version (and there is only 1 'plane currently in this layout in service) has the same business staggered seats as the 77W, with the difference of alternating row of 1-2-1 and 1-1-1 as the cabin is not so wide. The middle seats in the the rows with 2, look like they have significantly less space than other seats, whilst the 1-middle blocks are like thrones with a bit more room.


Summary of the long haul routes:
HND-FRA 787 has fully flat, but only operates alternate days, until the next 787 is delivered (maybe in April); other days are on a 772 with old angled seats
Fully flat seats for NRT- LHR, CDG, FRA, JKF, SFO, and LAX
Angled flat (Club ANA) for NRT- ORD, IAD, MUC and HND-LAX
Aircraft with old layout also have Premium economy, whereas 787 and new 77W do not

any Idea when IAD is slated to get the new seats?

No idea - but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't until the 787 deliveries have progressed a bit. Currently, one of NH's reserve 777s is covering the HND-FRA route, so they may not have the spare capacity to cover aircraft being taken out for a refit.

As a guide, the first of this configuration was delivered just over 2 years ago and with conversions there I think there is a total of 10 aircraft in this layout now, with LAX and SFO routes in service from early this year. So it's a pretty slow roll out.

Just took the LAX-NRT and NRT-LAX routes last week and they were all fully-flat.

Good to know... I will be on NRT - LAX on seat number 5A. How was the ANA lounge in NRT? Any sushi or sashimi?

What did you like about them?
 

On the flights this weekend. Site says its the new config. I'm in 6K. What were some impressions of the seats and the service. I"m a life long UA person, but NH has a better hard product to NRT right now, so I decided to go with NH.

I'm an UA million-mile flyer but must say that both NH's service and hard product are much much better. The new business class seats are fully lie-flat and very private. And each seat gets aisle access as well. I was able to have good sleeps for hours both ways. I still think SQ is the best in terms of service, seat pitch, width, and configurations. But NH is certainly getting there.

Agree with above. Waay above UA in every respect. And you still earm EQM's and RDM's same as if you flew UA. No lifetime mileage credit on UA, but the MM program has been reduced to rubble.

I may never set foot on a UA flight to Asia again.

why is the ord-nrt route not going to get the fully flat seats? i figure they would be one of the first...

It will eventually. Maybe they are the last as demand is still high and competitor products are not much ahead of ANA's last generation seating.

Incidentally, is it only JFK and LHR that use the 77W with the extra cabin of C seats? I wonder if IAD would need that configuration too? Any also if the premium economy plan is completely scrapped now? The front mini-Y cabin in the high-C 77W looks distinctly unfinished.

I am scheduled to fly IAD -NRT in may and wondering what the chance is on having new seat by then?


what is the current ANA seat comperable too?

I agree that SQ's hard product is outstanding, but for soft product (food, amenities, crew) it's NH by a mile. I flew SQ J last fall after years of flying JL and NH, and I found SQ's menus and overall service far below the Japanese airlines.

Nearly zero.