Alaska Pilot Q&A Thread
#601
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Seems like a simple question. How much fuel is loaded for flights on what criteria. Reason I ask is we almost had to divert to JNU on a SEA-ANC because of head winds? We ended up not having to and the flight was almost 4 hours, I think Officially 3hr 44mins and I know typically that route takes 3 hours and maybe even 2.5. They knew before take off of the head winds because the pilot said there were 80 mph winds the whole way there. So why wouldnt they add even more extra fuel? Worried the winds would slow or cease and then we would arrive with too much fuel? Maybe the winds got even stronger enroute? It wasnt ever announced to the cabin. Its just one of the benefits of seat 1D, you know things before everybody else. Especially for that flight because one of the FAs didnt have an indoors/inside voice. How many extra minutes or hours of fuel is an aircraft supposed to be fueled with to account for aborted landings or holding patterns etc
Two reasons they don't load more fuel than necessary:
-Avoid landing in an overweight situation (not common--would need to be pretty full on fuel and a short flight to hit this)
-Avoid wasting fuel (it takes fuel to carry fuel--every gallon of Jet-A weighs about six and a half pounds, and it takes a little bit of extra fuel to haul that 6.5 pounds around...and didn't AA quit serving olives in their salads to save a couple of pounds per flight? )
Captains are the ultimate authority on how much gas to put in the plane and can (and often do) request extra fuel beyond what the FAA and company requires. That said, IIRC, AS pilots do receive a bonus based on company-wide fuel efficiency, so most probably don't fill to excess (otherwise, every captain would put as much as possible in the plane without causing an overweight landing , since there are three useless things in aviation: altitude above you, runway behind you, and fuel still in the truck).
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But your point is well received.
Slimline seats, less than full water tanks, removal of ovens, and other ways have been used to shed weight.
#605
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As alaskacoho prepares for his retirement flight I thought I'd resurrect this thread. This was my favorite thread at the time. I always looked forward to alaskacoho's posts and perspectives. Maybe with some extra time on his hands we can entice him to participate in the Q&A again.
#606
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As alaskacoho prepares for his retirement flight I thought I'd resurrect this thread. This was my favorite thread at the time. I always looked forward to alaskacoho's posts and perspectives. Maybe with some extra time on his hands we can entice him to participate in the Q&A again.
#607
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Descent into PDX?
Is there anything special/different about the descent into PDX on Alaska? I fly weekly, and I’ve never had any issues with ear pressure until my first descent into PDX from AUS in August. My left ear pressure would not equalize for two days.
The excruciating ear pain made me not want to fly home but no issues with ascent. I bought some fancy earplugs that are supposed to help equalize pressure. Fast forward to today, and the descent into PDX again killed my ear, even with earplugs and gum and Valsalva.
Anyone know if the elevation drop is faster than most flights? Any way I can prepare for future flights here? Many thanks in advance!
The excruciating ear pain made me not want to fly home but no issues with ascent. I bought some fancy earplugs that are supposed to help equalize pressure. Fast forward to today, and the descent into PDX again killed my ear, even with earplugs and gum and Valsalva.
Anyone know if the elevation drop is faster than most flights? Any way I can prepare for future flights here? Many thanks in advance!
#608
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Is there anything special/different about the descent into PDX on Alaska? I fly weekly, and I’ve never had any issues with ear pressure until my first descent into PDX from AUS in August. My left ear pressure would not equalize for two days.
The excruciating ear pain made me not want to fly home but no issues with ascent. I bought some fancy earplugs that are supposed to help equalize pressure. Fast forward to today, and the descent into PDX again killed my ear, even with earplugs and gum and Valsalva.
Anyone know if the elevation drop is faster than most flights? Any way I can prepare for future flights here? Many thanks in advance!
The excruciating ear pain made me not want to fly home but no issues with ascent. I bought some fancy earplugs that are supposed to help equalize pressure. Fast forward to today, and the descent into PDX again killed my ear, even with earplugs and gum and Valsalva.
Anyone know if the elevation drop is faster than most flights? Any way I can prepare for future flights here? Many thanks in advance!
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Is there anything special/different about the descent into PDX on Alaska? I fly weekly, and I’ve never had any issues with ear pressure until my first descent into PDX from AUS in August. My left ear pressure would not equalize for two days.
The excruciating ear pain made me not want to fly home but no issues with ascent. I bought some fancy earplugs that are supposed to help equalize pressure. Fast forward to today, and the descent into PDX again killed my ear, even with earplugs and gum and Valsalva.
Anyone know if the elevation drop is faster than most flights? Any way I can prepare for future flights here? Many thanks in advance!
The excruciating ear pain made me not want to fly home but no issues with ascent. I bought some fancy earplugs that are supposed to help equalize pressure. Fast forward to today, and the descent into PDX again killed my ear, even with earplugs and gum and Valsalva.
Anyone know if the elevation drop is faster than most flights? Any way I can prepare for future flights here? Many thanks in advance!
I rarely even notice pressure equalization anymore unless I have a stuffy nose or a cold coming on. Is it possible you had some fluid in your sinuses due to a cold or allergies?
#610
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Just poked around looking at the different approaches into PDX, they all seem to have standard 3 degree glideslopes. Now, that doesn't mean that the TRACON didn't leave them fast and high and required a "slam dunk" approach on that particular flight for some reason, but I wouldn't think it's normal.
There also wouldn't be a different way of flying for Alaska than other airlines. ATC is (generally) going to dictate how the approach is flown, and they don't really care which airline it is.
There also wouldn't be a different way of flying for Alaska than other airlines. ATC is (generally) going to dictate how the approach is flown, and they don't really care which airline it is.