Mar 19, 2016, 12:24 am
Last edit by: missamo80
2018-06-01: Service is delayed pending an FAA re-review.
Destinations announced 2018-01-16:
LAS
LAX
SNA
PHX
PDX
SFO
SAN
SJC
Other FT PAE threads of note:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/alaska-airlines-mileage-plan/460657-paine-field.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-news/429086-seattles-paine-field-may-opened-up-airlines.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/west/344944-everett-paine-field-can-support-scheduled-service-study-says.html
Destinations announced 2018-01-16:
LAS
LAX
SNA
PHX
PDX
SFO
SAN
SJC
Other FT PAE threads of note:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/alaska-airlines-mileage-plan/460657-paine-field.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-news/429086-seattles-paine-field-may-opened-up-airlines.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/west/344944-everett-paine-field-can-support-scheduled-service-study-says.html
QX intends to start service from PAE (Paine Field/Everett, WA)
Jan 18, 2018, 5:00 pm
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Also, PAE probably can't support an appreciable percentage of the total demand from SEA because there aren't connections. If you're adding an E75 or two from PAE to a route that already has several daily 737s flying from SEA, there may well be enough demand. But if you add a 737 (because an E75 doesn't have the legs) to a route that only has one, maybe two, daily 737s from SEA, I don't see how it could work: there's less O/D demand than SEA and you lose the connecting feed.
No kidding. Two gates tops, no ability to expand (unless WN leases a gate, hahahahahaha, that's a good laugh), plus they're adding SAN/SJC-DAL in February so those two gates are going to be that much more crowded with flights.
Jan 19, 2018, 12:28 pm
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DFW would be better, to feed into AA codeshares, but again, no capacity there either. I presume the PHX choice would help feed to AA so that should be an early departure, late arrival.
Jan 19, 2018, 12:45 pm
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattl...p_destinations
PHX is a top 10 destination from SEA (and SEA is surprisingly #3 from PHX). Some of that is inevitably AA/WN connecting traffic, but TBH DEN/ORD are way more efficient if you want to fly eastbound (which you almost certainly do if you're connecting, given that SEA has great north-south nonstop connectivity on the West Coast and the only really logical PHX connections are to Mexico, maybe ABQ or TUS or some places in Texas), so I suspect a lot is O/D.
If AS is going to flow connecting pax out of PAE it's likely to PDX or (maybe) SFO/LAX on their own metal. AA to PHX is probably a rounding error.
Jan 19, 2018, 4:26 pm
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Jan 19, 2018, 4:45 pm
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QX never operated the EMB, and the vitriol that many on here direct at the Q400 would pale in comparison to the reception that little turboprop would receive
Jan 19, 2018, 7:14 pm
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QX never operated the EMB, and the vitriol that many on here direct at the Q400 would pale in comparison to the reception that little turboprop would receive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_120_Brasilia
A lot of markets lost their service when they were retired.
Jan 19, 2018, 7:33 pm
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I passed up a couple opportunities to fly on the Bandeirante in the mid-80s, and (like you) I thought the Brasilia was a neat flying experience
Jan 19, 2018, 11:18 pm
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I have never flown on the 110, but I loved flying on Skywest's EMB-120 (Brasilias).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_120_Brasilia
A lot of markets lost their service when they were retired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_120_Brasilia
A lot of markets lost their service when they were retired.
Jan 20, 2018, 3:56 pm
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PHX is a top 10 destination from SEA (and SEA is surprisingly #3 from PHX). Some of that is inevitably AA/WN connecting traffic, but TBH DEN/ORD are way more efficient if you want to fly eastbound (which you almost certainly do if you're connecting, given that SEA has great north-south nonstop connectivity on the West Coast and the only really logical PHX connections are to Mexico, maybe ABQ or TUS or some places in Texas), so I suspect a lot is O/D.
I am debating at what point is it worth throwing in a connection to go out of PAE rather than SEA.
Jan 20, 2018, 4:33 pm
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(not to send the thread off on a tangent, but it would likely be ** A LOT ** more attractive if SDC rules allowed routing changes)
Jan 20, 2018, 5:26 pm
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From Northgate, PAE is a great alternative. I fly to Vegas once a month, sometimes more. For me it will depend on time of flight mostly. Mornings, no comparison, PAE will win out. Afternoon weekdays, not so much, kind of a tossup. Afternoon weekends, PAE wins again. I will also take parking prices into consideration. BLI prices haves skyrocketed, double the prices of an offsite lot at SEA.
Jan 20, 2018, 5:30 pm
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Any possibility to have a connection to the Sounder or Amtrak trains that run from Seattle to Everett? I realize the Sounder is only weekdays at rush hour now. But, in the long run, there needs to be some public transport to connect to PAE.
EDIT -- now see that the "other" Sounder line to Everett won't start construction until 2020, to be completed in 2036! I'll be retired by then.
https://systemexpansion.soundtransit...551.1516494566
EDIT -- now see that the "other" Sounder line to Everett won't start construction until 2020, to be completed in 2036! I'll be retired by then.
https://systemexpansion.soundtransit...551.1516494566
Jan 20, 2018, 5:58 pm
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Any possibility to have a connection to the Sounder or Amtrak trains that run from Seattle to Everett? I realize the Sounder is only weekdays at rush hour now. But, in the long run, there needs to be some public transport to connect to PAE.
EDIT -- now see that the "other" Sounder line to Everett won't start construction until 2020, to be completed in 2036! I'll be retired by then.
https://systemexpansion.soundtransit...551.1516494566
EDIT -- now see that the "other" Sounder line to Everett won't start construction until 2020, to be completed in 2036! I'll be retired by then.
https://systemexpansion.soundtransit...551.1516494566
Jan 20, 2018, 8:21 pm
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My guess is that it’s a lot easier to cycle an RJ through closer in stations and ones where there is already OO/QX presence (like SNA) than ones without (like ANC). Also, a lot of ANC traffic is connecting. PAE is not intended for connections.