eponymous_coward

Not really. What you are seeing is QUITE intentional.

https://newsroom.alaskaair.com/2018-...om-Paine-Field

tatterdema

They so not have a start date, so yeah, they have to load flights. Once they get a start date, I would imagine they will load them, and voila, PAE will become a thing. Hoping by summer they will be loaded.

rustykettel

Yes, I saw that. I wasn't expecting that it would return flights, merely noting that neither one recognizes PAE as a valid airport code.

eponymous_coward

Sure, but if there's nobody who's loaded in any flights for PAE (keep in mind UA announced service as well) because they're waiting for the FAA to sign off on passenger operations, it's not a valid airport.

beckoa

Not as scheduled service.

lattegirl13

Toshbaf

ANC has hope. When the dust settles, AS will decide what flights are the most profitable. ANC, to me, has potential. The airport will only have 2 gates. AS wants 13 flights, UA wants 6. That makes a total of 19 flights. That means both gates are full or maybe they can squeeze in a 20th flight.

AS will first start out of OO E-175's but I expect eventually they will be all 737-900/900ER aircraft. ANC might get one flight. I wonder where the 13 AS flights will go. Frequencies haven't been announced. Maybe PDX-2, SFO-2, SJC-1, PHX-2, LAS-1, SNA-1, LAX-2, SAN-2.

When the dust settles, maybe it will be:
ANC 1
PDX 2
SFO 2
SJC 2
SNA 1
LAX 2
SAN 2
IAD 1
ORD 1

Or maybe we'll see some low frequencies, like HNL 2/week, JFK 3/week, YYC 2/week. Probably not.

98103

Article in this morning's Times indicates that all flying will be by Horizon on EMBs

PV_Premier

Even with only two gates, couldn't they board E175s on the tarmac with a zig zag rat ramp to increase capacity? I feel like they do this already in SEA and PDX IIRC.

dmodemd

I am sure due to delays at times, they will have to park an aircraft off gate, at least to unload. Maybe it will be a multi-sub-gate set up?

PABE

Whatever database that supplies Google Flights with their airports seems to have delays sometimes. IIRC, when the new Dakar airport opened last year, it wasn't immediately possible to book flights to DSS (only showed DKR) even though SA and AF were operating flights there.

AndyPatterson

Won't this cannibalize flights from BLI? Or is there enough of a Bellingham / cross-border market to support BLI without the Everett/Snohomish passengers?

JPat

eponymous_coward

Probably a bit, but AS was pulling down BLI flights the last few years anyways because G4 pulled back some.

ashill

I think the longer the flight, the less the advantage of the convenience of an airport like PAE (for Everett area customers), so they focus on relatively-short flights; that makes Florida a weak candidate for PAE service. Not too different from LGA/JFK, DCA/IAD, LCY/LHR, YTZ/YYZ, etc (although those are all different in that it's downtown that's appreciably closer to the airport with less long haul service, and some of the length of flight constraints are artificial).

Also, PAE probably can't support an appreciable percentage of the total demand from SEA because there aren't connections. If you're adding an E75 or two from PAE to a route that already has several daily 737s flying from SEA, there may well be enough demand. But if you add a 737 (because an E75 doesn't have the legs) to a route that only has one, maybe two, daily 737s from SEA, I don't see how it could work: there's less O/D demand than SEA and you lose the connecting feed.

And re DAL specifically: it's not like AS is swimming in available capacity there.

All the announced route meet those criteria: relatively short flight (less than three hours scheduled), so saving customers 1-2 hours getting to the airport saves at least 25% of the total door-to-door travel time, and already lots of service from SEA (so there's at least the possibility of sufficient O&D demand from north of Seattle to fill an E75).