Why I should/shouldn't switch to AS
#16
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Join Date: Oct 2014
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Then on Sunday night if UA was flying the 752 to SFO, I'd take UA back on the redeye, pay for F (lie flat), eat my burger and go to sleep. 2 days and 1 night in Maui; great way to reload on vitamin D without burning any PTO.
#17
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Rolling Lakes Yacht Club
Posts: 4,985
So most of what you’ll read below is contrary to prevailing FT “wisdom.”
Pick flights based on whatever offers the best schedule, and be damned with FF freebies. It’s a hook for the feeble.
If you want free business class trips abroad, get a cash back charge card or at minimum one that gives you virtual dollars/points towards travel. If you can’t travel when you want to, what are FF points worth, nothing! If you’re wasting your life in an airport, because you’re waiting for a less convenient flight for points, “status,” or clinging to the hope of an upgrade, is that really the best use of your time?
I can buy F on any flight, yet I have no problem with Southwest when they might offer best schedule. Other cases, it’s who can get to work or home as Quickly as possible. I still manage hefty status in multiple airlines. Take it, it means nothing. The points mean nothing, and they’re worth nothing. All the airlines are basically the same.
Pick flights based on whatever offers the best schedule, and be damned with FF freebies. It’s a hook for the feeble.
If you want free business class trips abroad, get a cash back charge card or at minimum one that gives you virtual dollars/points towards travel. If you can’t travel when you want to, what are FF points worth, nothing! If you’re wasting your life in an airport, because you’re waiting for a less convenient flight for points, “status,” or clinging to the hope of an upgrade, is that really the best use of your time?
I can buy F on any flight, yet I have no problem with Southwest when they might offer best schedule. Other cases, it’s who can get to work or home as Quickly as possible. I still manage hefty status in multiple airlines. Take it, it means nothing. The points mean nothing, and they’re worth nothing. All the airlines are basically the same.
Last edited by DataPlumber; Mar 4, 2022 at 6:22 pm
#18
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Las Vegas
Programs: BA Gold; Hilton Honors Diamond
Posts: 3,227
The only real drawback I can think of is that their route network isn't as expansive as other carriers so you may need to mix and match depending on where you're flying from / to.
So, are they a decent airline? As far as I am concerned, it's a yes. However, that's based on my specific travel patterns and my OW status. Your perspective / requirements may be different.
#19
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Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Over the Bay Bridge, CA
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So most of what you’ll read below is contrary to prevailing FT “wisdom.”
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I can buy F on any flight, yet I have no problem with Southwest when they might offer best schedule. Other cases, it’s who can get to work or home as Quickly as possible. I still manage hefty status in multiple airlines. Take it, it means nothing. The points mean nothing, and they’re worth nothing. All the airlines are basically the same.
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I can buy F on any flight, yet I have no problem with Southwest when they might offer best schedule. Other cases, it’s who can get to work or home as Quickly as possible. I still manage hefty status in multiple airlines. Take it, it means nothing. The points mean nothing, and they’re worth nothing. All the airlines are basically the same.
That said, the game isn't anything close to what it used to be. That that said, one can do a whole lot worse than loyalty (feigned or actual) to Alaska Airlines these days.
BTW, my worthless AS points took two of us on EK F last September, LA J last December/January, and am already booked with LA J LAX/SCL for next December/January.
#20
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: SFO/SJC/OAK/STS
Programs: Alaska MVPG, Delta PM, AA EXP, Wannabe SkyWest 1K
Posts: 644
I’ve booked nearly 50 segments this year, almost 90% DL, AS, and many of those on QX and OO E175s.
#21
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
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The title says it all. Current AA Plat, and I'm absolutely furious over the new loyalty program. Just call it American Credit Card Company. Anyways, I digress... Basically, what attracts me to AS is the loyalty program that rewards actual flying, the solid FC food, and the fact that it's part of OW now. Is AS a decent airline? I've never flown them, so would love any insight.
Thank you for the threads, will have a look. Main objectives would be 1. upgrades 2. checked bags 3. milage accrual.
I'm from the greater philly area, but go to school in the LA area, so most of my routing would have to be either LAX-SEA-PHL or LAX-EWR. That would be the main pattern, getting from one coast to the next, which is a little hiccup because AS has much more of a west coast presence. For smaller airports that only have service from the big 3, I would probably just fly AA and credit it to AS as you said. I understand there are some partner benefits, which is appealing.
I'm from the greater philly area, but go to school in the LA area, so most of my routing would have to be either LAX-SEA-PHL or LAX-EWR. That would be the main pattern, getting from one coast to the next, which is a little hiccup because AS has much more of a west coast presence. For smaller airports that only have service from the big 3, I would probably just fly AA and credit it to AS as you said. I understand there are some partner benefits, which is appealing.
OP, especially since AA's new system makes it far easier to retain status than to gain it, I would at the least fly AS on a trip or two (crediting to AAdvantage) before switching frequent flyer programs. Switching the airline you fly and the airline you credit to need not happen at the same moment for partners, and it need not be a complete switch either.
Here's my insight after 36 years of flying AS. It is a decent airline, and it doesn't work for everyone. The biggest downside over the years have been reliability of route sustainability on newer markets. Oh you bought that timeshare in (pick your city) Mexico because you could reliably fly there on AS? You moved all your Hawaii flying to AS because well, you live near OAK?
That being said, sure, for some things status and loyalty isn't worth it.
Yeah, worthless AS points got me on CX F. Worthless US points got me on LX/LH F. Worthless UA points got me in TG F. Worthless CX points got me short notice AA J travel. And so on.
Last edited by eponymous_coward; Mar 9, 2022 at 5:40 pm
#22
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: BOS & SFO
Programs: Alaska MVP Gold
Posts: 675
OP - since you're a student, I'm assuming you can't indiscriminately spend on an AA card to keep status. I'm also a student; I'm from Boston but go to college in the Bay Area.
My flight patterns that get me to MVPG on AS (i.e., lots of cheap BOS-SFO/SFO-BOS transcons) would not be nearly enough to get me even to AA Gold without putting $8000-$14000 a year on a credit card, which is income I simply do not have as a student (plus, I want to move most of my CC spending to transferable points once I start making real income anyways).
However, flying 7 transcon roundtrips on AS is enough to get me to MVPG, and the flying experience with status has been substantially better than without. For example, having virtually guaranteed premium class upgrades and being able to burn GGUs on transcons is a major quality of life improvement.
If your spending patterns match mine, I'd suggest giving AS a try, at least making a EWR-LAX-EWR run for example - if you're current AA Plat, you should at least be able to make AS MVP with the two AS segments and flying AA only otherwise. You'll give up on upgrades on AA, but will at least have free PC where you wouldn't otherwise due to having to CC spend for AA status.
My flight patterns that get me to MVPG on AS (i.e., lots of cheap BOS-SFO/SFO-BOS transcons) would not be nearly enough to get me even to AA Gold without putting $8000-$14000 a year on a credit card, which is income I simply do not have as a student (plus, I want to move most of my CC spending to transferable points once I start making real income anyways).
However, flying 7 transcon roundtrips on AS is enough to get me to MVPG, and the flying experience with status has been substantially better than without. For example, having virtually guaranteed premium class upgrades and being able to burn GGUs on transcons is a major quality of life improvement.
If your spending patterns match mine, I'd suggest giving AS a try, at least making a EWR-LAX-EWR run for example - if you're current AA Plat, you should at least be able to make AS MVP with the two AS segments and flying AA only otherwise. You'll give up on upgrades on AA, but will at least have free PC where you wouldn't otherwise due to having to CC spend for AA status.
#23
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OP - since you're a student, I'm assuming you can't indiscriminately spend on an AA card to keep status. I'm also a student; I'm from Boston but go to college in the Bay Area.
My flight patterns that get me to MVPG on AS (i.e., lots of cheap BOS-SFO/SFO-BOS transcons) would not be nearly enough to get me even to AA Gold without putting $8000-$14000 a year on a credit card, which is income I simply do not have as a student (plus, I want to move most of my CC spending to transferable points once I start making real income anyways).
My flight patterns that get me to MVPG on AS (i.e., lots of cheap BOS-SFO/SFO-BOS transcons) would not be nearly enough to get me even to AA Gold without putting $8000-$14000 a year on a credit card, which is income I simply do not have as a student (plus, I want to move most of my CC spending to transferable points once I start making real income anyways).