What's With the Crazy Price Swings Lately?
I don't remember PDX to SAN being $500 direct one way for up to 7 days out from booking. Even last year same day booking would be $250 one way. PDX to SEA is $214. Why is the shortest flight between their two largest hubs (which usually never got higher than 120 bucks same day) now almost double price? And it's not just same day. PDX to SEA is 214 all the way through the 6th. This is absurd. I understand Alaska has cut lots of flights recently, but even SEA to SAN same day is $249 same day which is what PDX used to be. Why is Portland, which is a big hub, now totally rip off prices? I can fly PDX to SAN on United for $250 today but Alaska is $500. Can anyone give some insight into this? It's been horrible prices all of January and now it seems well into Feb that won't change either.
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They just lost a ton of money after the holiday melt down. If higher fares are more profitable and people are willing to pay them, why should they offer lower prices? If you have an alternative that is cheaper, just take that. If enough people book other airlines and AS can't sell their seats, they will lower their prices or further cut frequency. Blindly following one airline often does not work out economically. Look at your own interests first and if they happen to coincide with your airline of choice for any given trip, then consider yourself fortunate:)
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Originally Posted by tempacctquickquestion
(Post 33950886)
I don't remember PDX to SAN being $500 direct one way for up to 7 days out from booking. Even last year same day booking would be $250 one way. PDX to SEA is $214. Why is the shortest flight between their two largest hubs (which usually never got higher than 120 bucks same day) now almost double price? And it's not just same day. PDX to SEA is 214 all the way through the 6th. This is absurd. I understand Alaska has cut lots of flights recently, but even SEA to SAN same day is $249 same day which is what PDX used to be. Why is Portland, which is a big hub, now totally rip off prices? I can fly PDX to SAN on United for $250 today but Alaska is $500. Can anyone give some insight into this? It's been horrible prices all of January and now it seems well into Feb that won't change either.
I’m sure I will come up with it sometime, but can’t think of it off the top of my head. |
I did a historical search on ExpertFlyer and the $499 fare (BH0OASMN) on PDX-SAN non-stop with less than 7-day advance purchase (and nothing cheaper) has been there for at least a year (although it used to be an S fare). You can tell the connecting fares from the non-stop fares by the third letter from end of the fare basis code (it's 'S' on fares with non-stop routing). The lack of LCC/ULCC competition on non-stop PDX-SAN is almost certainly a big factor here. PDX-SEA and SEA-SAN only has fellow legacy carrier DL as a competitor and legacies are known to get a bit "chummy" at times on pricing when they don't have any LCC/ULCC competitors on a route. People often complain that WN is no longer an "LCC", but it still seems to be a price leader on short haul routes with non-stop service that other carriers tend to match.
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I found some fares SEA-SAN r/t sub $200 recently. People want to go to sunny SAN
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Originally Posted by StevenSeagalFan
(Post 33951067)
I found some fares SEA-SAN r/t sub $200 recently. People want to go to sunny SAN
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Covid from the last 2 years doesn't seem to be the cause of this and if it was right now would not be the smart time to raise fares to make up for lost revenue because traffic on planes is still down a good amount. The best time to do that would be when traffic hits highs again. Guess you didn't think your reply through in your haste to be sarcastic. Further, as I mentioned, other carriers are not doing this. The discrepancy between other carriers is 100% cost on same day purchases. So again, your point, not really working out.
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Originally Posted by tempacctquickquestion
(Post 33951154)
Covid from the last 2 years doesn't seem to be the cause of this and if it was right now would not be the smart time to raise fares to make up for lost revenue because traffic on planes is still down a good amount. The best time to do that would be when traffic hits highs again. Guess you didn't think your reply through in your haste to be sarcastic. Further, as I mentioned, other carriers are not doing this. The discrepancy between other carriers is 100% cost on same day purchases. So again, your point, not really working out.
If you check SFO-RDM fares (no LCC competition) both UA and AS charge $399 one-way with less than 7-day advance. SFO-ASE/EGE are also $399 one-way on UA (no competition) with less than 7-day advance. |
Originally Posted by tempacctquickquestion
(Post 33951154)
Covid from the last 2 years doesn't seem to be the cause of this
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Market dictates the price. March and April is spring break season.
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Originally Posted by tempacctquickquestion
(Post 33951154)
Covid from the last 2 years doesn't seem to be the cause of this and if it was right now would not be the smart time to raise fares to make up for lost revenue because traffic on planes is still down a good amount. The best time to do that would be when traffic hits highs again. Guess you didn't think your reply through in your haste to be sarcastic. Further, as I mentioned, other carriers are not doing this. The discrepancy between other carriers is 100% cost on same day purchases. So again, your point, not really working out.
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Originally Posted by sfozrhfco
(Post 33951396)
Airlines price their fares based upon supply and demand just like every other business.
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I'm sure it did have an effect on the prices, though there's a lot of argument to be made about how much actually went into plane upkeep pilot salaries fuel costs etc and not stupid buybacks (for the record I'm a hard conservative but the abuse of the tax payer money flow is ridiculous). And the shafting started in january. As far as the supply and demand thing goes, I don't believe it for a second. A pure supply and demand system would not allow for routes to be exploited so that I can fly on a D or I fare, pick up the extra miles, and end up in the right place. Even if it means I'm paying for first on the exact same flight # that wanted $1800 and I'm only coughing up $150. I prefer not to do this though.
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Originally Posted by tempacctquickquestion
(Post 33951758)
I'm sure it did have an effect on the prices, though there's a lot of argument to be made about how much actually went into plane upkeep pilot salaries fuel costs etc and not stupid buybacks (for the record I'm a hard conservative but the abuse of the tax payer money flow is ridiculous). And the shafting started in january. As far as the supply and demand thing goes, I don't believe it for a second. A pure supply and demand system would not allow for routes to be exploited so that I can fly on a D or I fare, pick up the extra miles, and end up in the right place. Even if it means I'm paying for first on the exact same flight # that wanted $1800 and I'm only coughing up $150. I prefer not to do this though.
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It's pretty cheap to go to BOS right now
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