AS' Membership in the oneworld Alliance - Benefits, Policies and Problems
Apr 5, 2021, 5:05 pm
#61
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: YYF/YLW
Programs: AA, DL, AS, VA, WS Silver
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AA take a dim view on cherry picking status benefits and changing FFN. AS may have the same policy.
From Change FFN / frequent flyer number on AA booking? (master thread)
From Change FFN / frequent flyer number on AA booking? (master thread)
Earning AAdvantage Miles
"You cannot accrue partner airline miles with your partner frequent flyer number if you have already used your AAdvantage number to obtain AAdvantage program benefits such as First or Business Class upgrades, baggage fee waivers or complimentary access to Preferred/Main Cabin Extra seats. Additionally, you cannot redeem partner airline miles with your partner frequent flyer number and obtain AAdvantage program benefits such as priority boarding and access to preferred seats."
"You cannot accrue partner airline miles with your partner frequent flyer number if you have already used your AAdvantage number to obtain AAdvantage program benefits such as First or Business Class upgrades, baggage fee waivers or complimentary access to Preferred/Main Cabin Extra seats. Additionally, you cannot redeem partner airline miles with your partner frequent flyer number and obtain AAdvantage program benefits such as priority boarding and access to preferred seats."
Apr 5, 2021, 10:23 pm
#62
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Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
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Cash paid flight?
Finnair AY manage booking is the common way in OW to change ffp in a reservation. QR Qatar may also work.
AA take a dim view on cherry picking status benefits and changing FFN. AS may have the same policy.
From Change FFN / frequent flyer number on AA booking? (master thread)
Finnair AY manage booking is the common way in OW to change ffp in a reservation. QR Qatar may also work.
AA take a dim view on cherry picking status benefits and changing FFN. AS may have the same policy.
From Change FFN / frequent flyer number on AA booking? (master thread)
https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mi...and-conditions
The relevant language is significantly less strict in one respect (does not have a term saying "you can't use AS elite status with OAL award ticket"), just standard "pick one and only one program":
The member's Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan number must appear in the reservation such that mileage accrued for that flight will be credited to the member's Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan account, before MVP or MVP Gold benefits, including First Class upgrades, may be used on that flight. Any changes made after such benefits are used may result in forfeiture of such benefits.
A member who is enrolled in more than one airline's frequent flyer program may not receive mileage credit in more than one frequent flyer program for the same activity. Members must identify the frequent flyer program in which he/she wishes to accrue miles for a particular itinerary at the time of initial booking. For example, if a member flies with one of Alaska Airlines' partner carriers, the member may elect to receive mileage credit in either the Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan or in the other airline's plan, but must make such election and notify the operating carrier when the booking is made. Any changes made after initial booking may result in changes to eligibility and receipt of such benefits
Apr 6, 2021, 12:49 am
#63
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Usually in SAN or Central Europe.
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On the other hand, if that same person books a flight on AA but uses their BAEC number so it credits to BA, and then tries to enter their AA FF number in order to score a complimentary upgrade, that's the red line that they tend to draw in the sand. More so, because BA isn't going to give AA any money for that upgraded seat, while AA has to pay BA for the FF miles being credited into that BAEC account..
Last edited by Fanjet; Apr 6, 2021 at 1:09 am
Apr 6, 2021, 8:51 am
#64
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: PDX
Programs: AS MVP Gold 100K
Posts: 2,989
Priority baggage report
Flew PDX-SEA-ANC last night in paid F as a 75K.
Agent at the F check in desk at PDX didn’t put the orange OW priority tag on my luggage, although the barcode on the actual tag did have a small “priority” on it.
On arrival at ANC, no priority bag delivery, and only a couple of bags on the carousel actually had the orange OW priority tags. Took over 30 minutes to get my luggage, so I was able to get the 2500 mile bonus.
In other words, business as usual.
Agent at the F check in desk at PDX didn’t put the orange OW priority tag on my luggage, although the barcode on the actual tag did have a small “priority” on it.
On arrival at ANC, no priority bag delivery, and only a couple of bags on the carousel actually had the orange OW priority tags. Took over 30 minutes to get my luggage, so I was able to get the 2500 mile bonus.
In other words, business as usual.
Apr 6, 2021, 9:07 am
#65
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Austin
Programs: AA EXP +2MM- LT PLT! HH Diamond
Posts: 6,086
If access to QF F and OW J(QF managed) is abused things could change.
Anyway QF has parked until mid 2023 the only aircraft they have with F (A380), so QF has no F pax for that lounge. The QF F lounge is closed. When that F lounge will reopen is anyone's guess. QF will not flying to USA until late Oct at very best.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges?location=LAX
Anyway QF has parked until mid 2023 the only aircraft they have with F (A380), so QF has no F pax for that lounge. The QF F lounge is closed. When that F lounge will reopen is anyone's guess. QF will not flying to USA until late Oct at very best.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges?location=LAX
From https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...lounges-reopen :
" "We'll reopen our international lounges as soon as there's enough commercial demand, particularly at Sydney and Melbourne, if they're the likely Australian ports" for travel bubbles, Qantas Chief Customer Officer Stephanie Tully enthused to Executive Travellerin December 2020."
Apr 6, 2021, 9:16 am
#66
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: NYC
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 1,372
Anyone else receive the email from AS recently about MVPG75K benefits? It includes the following line:
"And to celebrate our enhanced partnership, American would also like to take your global experience to the next level by offering you a limited-time international upgrade opportunity. Watch your email inbox for details."
Would be a real treat—and completely unexpected and wildly generous—if AS/AA gave 75Ks some sort of SWU to use on AA.
"And to celebrate our enhanced partnership, American would also like to take your global experience to the next level by offering you a limited-time international upgrade opportunity. Watch your email inbox for details."
Would be a real treat—and completely unexpected and wildly generous—if AS/AA gave 75Ks some sort of SWU to use on AA.
Apr 6, 2021, 9:17 am
#67
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Yes, it's an AsiaMiles booking. (AM ordinarily has lower YQ going USA->Europe on BA and similar mileage prices to AA/AS, and unlike them, accepts flexible currencies like MR.)
The language that AA has in their T&Cs indicates that they don't want you to book AA using BA/AS/whoever miles and then use an AA FFN to get status benefits on top of the booking, which could be considerable: extra luggage allowance, club access, better Y seats, even an upgrade if you're EP, etc.
AS doesn't have similar language.
Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
AS doesn't have similar language.
Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż
Apr 6, 2021, 9:26 am
#68
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
Anyone else receive the email from AS recently about MVPG75K benefits? It includes the following line:
"And to celebrate our enhanced partnership, American would also like to take your global experience to the next level by offering you a limited-time international upgrade opportunity. Watch your email inbox for details."
Would be a real treat—and completely unexpected and wildly generous—if AS/AA gave 75Ks some sort of SWU to use on AA.
"And to celebrate our enhanced partnership, American would also like to take your global experience to the next level by offering you a limited-time international upgrade opportunity. Watch your email inbox for details."
Would be a real treat—and completely unexpected and wildly generous—if AS/AA gave 75Ks some sort of SWU to use on AA.
Upgrade "opportunity," to me, suggests there is something attached; perhaps Miles or Dollars.
I'll happily cash in our 28 GGUs for some SWUs if that is the "opportunity!"
James
Apr 6, 2021, 9:43 am
#69
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Thousand Oaks, Ca., USA
Programs: AA Lifetime Plat; Bonvoy Titanium Lifetime Elite;Hyatt Globalist; HHonors Diamond; United Silver
Posts: 8,313
booked a BA award today using AS miles (75k/emerald here). When I looked up the reservation on BA.com, I wasn't able to select seats for free. What I did was, select manage booking and I added my AS number manually, did all this through the BA app. Once I saved that, I went back to seatmap and was able to select seats for free.
have you tried adding your As number in the reservation through the BA site/app?
have you tried adding your As number in the reservation through the BA site/app?
ETA -
1) cannot change FF# in AY site. Maybe will work later on if AY has to do some programming to recognize AS ticketed flights
2) cannot change in AA app or Website
3) additional problem: Trusted Traveler number not passed for companion even though it's in her AS profile. Mine was there (miles out of my account).
Last edited by beachfan; Apr 6, 2021 at 1:40 pm
Apr 6, 2021, 11:19 am
#70
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Las Vegas
Programs: BA Gold; Hilton Honors Diamond
Posts: 3,227
I am AA Platinum (OW Sapphire). I entered my AA # into my AS reservation when making it. It does not allow me to select seats in the priority seating area. Any ideas how to do this? Also, same circumstances but I want to get AS miles for the trip but want my OW Sapphire privileges (priority seating and priority boarding). How is that done?
Apr 6, 2021, 10:08 pm
#71
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Here is a recent article from the Executive Traveller website that covers QF extensively (Australia based) that discusses the matter. And since they get paid for access by other OW partner airlines, they don't need to necessarily offer F to open an F Lounge outside of Australia, such as LAX, if it makes commercial sense, for OWEs and perhaps AA, BA and CX First flyers if travel corridors open up.
Apr 6, 2021, 10:47 pm
#72
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I have a similar issue with my BA number. When I look at the seat availability before choosing a flight then the Alaska / Oneworld Elite section is wide open but when I go to purchase and enter my BA number then everything is shown as unavailable or occupied. I am sure it's just teething issues that will sort themselves out in due course but it's a little frustrating.
https://viewfromthewing.com/the-comp...aska-airlines/
In order to access Premium Class seats, American’s elites cannot reserve them during the booking process – they need to make the booking, wait for the ticket to issue and their status to register in Alaska’s systems (generally a few minuts [sic]) and then select their seats if eligible. Choosing a premium class seat prior to ticketing results in a charge for that seat.
Apr 6, 2021, 10:53 pm
#73
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Sacramento, CA
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Make the booking and then come back a few minutes later.
https://viewfromthewing.com/the-comp...aska-airlines/
https://viewfromthewing.com/the-comp...aska-airlines/
Apr 6, 2021, 11:16 pm
#74
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: British Columbia
Programs: AS MVPG100K, Marriott Marriott Titanium Elite, Hilton Gold
Posts: 7,263
Make the booking and then come back a few minutes later.
[i]In order to access Premium Class seats, American’s elites cannot reserve them during the booking process – they need to make the booking, wait for the ticket to issue and their status to register in Alaska’s systems (generally a few minuts [sic]) and then select their seats if eligible. Choosing a premium class seat prior to ticketing results in a charge for that seat.
[i]In order to access Premium Class seats, American’s elites cannot reserve them during the booking process – they need to make the booking, wait for the ticket to issue and their status to register in Alaska’s systems (generally a few minuts [sic]) and then select their seats if eligible. Choosing a premium class seat prior to ticketing results in a charge for that seat.
James
Apr 6, 2021, 11:41 pm
#75
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Is anyone shocked that AS's implementation's a little rough around the edges? I'm sure not. (stares in AS award calendar)