AS' Membership in the oneworld Alliance - Benefits, Policies and Problems
Mar 31, 2021, 4:32 pm
#16
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Alaska's airline partner page now has earning charts for all oneworld members, effective today. They all explicitly say that flights marketed by that airline and operated by any oneworld airline earn according to the marketing airline's chart. That, to me, is one of the bigger benefits of AS joining oneworld; no more operating in a grey area (having to email in boarding passes and only earning miles because AS usually waived their rules when asked in this situation) to earn miles on flights marketed by one AS partner and operated by another (among oneworld partners).
EQMs range from 25% in deepest discount coach on most (JL bottoms out at 30%) oneworld partners to 300% for BA F. However, outside of BA, it looks like the most generous EQM earning in J/F is 200% on most airlines and as low as 125% (IB).
EQMs range from 25% in deepest discount coach on most (JL bottoms out at 30%) oneworld partners to 300% for BA F. However, outside of BA, it looks like the most generous EQM earning in J/F is 200% on most airlines and as low as 125% (IB).
Earnings will be based on the Marketing Carrier, not the Operating Carrier. If AA is marketing a good J fare on BA metal, you will earn 150% EQM as per the AA charts (flight number starts with AAxxxx) not 150% EQM + 100% Bonus RDM as per the BA charts. (flight number does not start with BAxxxx)
When AS allowed credit upon a manual request when both the Marketing Carrier & the Operating Carrier were AS partners, credit was based on the Operating Carrier.
James
Last edited by Flying for Fun; Mar 31, 2021 at 4:38 pm
Mar 31, 2021, 5:22 pm
#17
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The OW J lounge @ LAX isn't a slouch either (and would be accessible for an MVPG). Ditto AA's FL in T4.
Another lounge use case: before AS OW entry, CX J/F connecting to AS F on an award through LAX wouldn't get you into the QF F lounge, OW J lounge, or AA's LAX FL, just the AS lounge in T6 based on OW class of service lounge access rules coming off of longhauls (even if you didn't hold OW status). Now it does.
Another lounge use case: before AS OW entry, CX J/F connecting to AS F on an award through LAX wouldn't get you into the QF F lounge, OW J lounge, or AA's LAX FL, just the AS lounge in T6 based on OW class of service lounge access rules coming off of longhauls (even if you didn't hold OW status). Now it does.
Anyway QF has parked until mid 2023 the only aircraft they have with F (A380), so QF has no F pax for that lounge. The QF F lounge is closed. When that F lounge will reopen is anyone's guess. QF will not flying to USA until late Oct at very best.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges?location=LAX
Mar 31, 2021, 5:30 pm
#18
Join Date: Sep 2011
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If access to QF F and OW J(QF managed) is abused things could change.
Anyway QF has parked until mid 2023 the only aircraft they have with F (A380), so QF has no F pax for that lounge. The QF F lounge is closed. When that F lounge will reopen is anyone's guess. QF will not flying to USA until late Oct at very best.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges?location=LAX
Anyway QF has parked until mid 2023 the only aircraft they have with F (A380), so QF has no F pax for that lounge. The QF F lounge is closed. When that F lounge will reopen is anyone's guess. QF will not flying to USA until late Oct at very best.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges?location=LAX
Frankly, I think they'll adopt the true definition of "North America", which includes CR. Time will tell.
Mar 31, 2021, 5:58 pm
#19
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If access to QF F and OW J(QF managed) is abused things could change.
Anyway QF has parked until mid 2023 the only aircraft they have with F (A380), so QF has no F pax for that lounge. The QF F lounge is closed. When that F lounge will reopen is anyone's guess. QF will not flying to USA until late Oct at very best.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges?location=LAX
Anyway QF has parked until mid 2023 the only aircraft they have with F (A380), so QF has no F pax for that lounge. The QF F lounge is closed. When that F lounge will reopen is anyone's guess. QF will not flying to USA until late Oct at very best.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges?location=LAX
If anything AS having to cover any AS MVPG/75K pax in the AL for SJO/LIR flights is probably going to change the policy more than the occasional lounge-crazed FTer who is hankering for salt and pepper squid or a shower.
Mar 31, 2021, 6:06 pm
#20
Join Date: Apr 2019
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If access to QF F and OW J(QF managed) is abused things could change.
Anyway QF has parked until mid 2023 the only aircraft they have with F (A380), so QF has no F pax for that lounge. The QF F lounge is closed. When that F lounge will reopen is anyone's guess. QF will not flying to USA until late Oct at very best.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges?location=LAX
Anyway QF has parked until mid 2023 the only aircraft they have with F (A380), so QF has no F pax for that lounge. The QF F lounge is closed. When that F lounge will reopen is anyone's guess. QF will not flying to USA until late Oct at very best.
https://www.oneworld.com/airport-lounges?location=LAX
Anyone knows who will occupy the lounges at the upcoming Midfield terminal just further west to TBIT? The airport map seem to show there will be 2 lounges, 1 at each floor.
Edit: One of them will be an Air France lounge source https://www.airliners.net/forum/view...7743#p22647503
Last edited by simonsuo; Mar 31, 2021 at 6:13 pm
Mar 31, 2021, 6:20 pm
#21
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The AA Flagship Lounge in T4 is pretty nice and it's not quite as far a walk (and most AS CR-bound pax with OW lounge access will be in T6's Alaska Lounge since it's not half a mile from the gate like T4 or 3/4s of a mile away like TBIT is).
Right now AA is allowing lounge access on all Mexico/Canada flights (significantly more generous than AS), so the deviation is interesting but may not be a big deal unless AS starts doing more Central American flying.
If anything AS having to cover any AS MVPG/75K pax in the AL for SJO/LIR flights is probably going to change the policy more than the occasional lounge-crazed FTer who is hankering for salt and pepper squid or a shower.
Right now AA is allowing lounge access on all Mexico/Canada flights (significantly more generous than AS), so the deviation is interesting but may not be a big deal unless AS starts doing more Central American flying.
If anything AS having to cover any AS MVPG/75K pax in the AL for SJO/LIR flights is probably going to change the policy more than the occasional lounge-crazed FTer who is hankering for salt and pepper squid or a shower.
And I hadn't even thought about the addition of elites in the AL T6 with CR, but that's a valid point, albeit a manageable # for those flights? Food for thought.
Mar 31, 2021, 6:33 pm
#22
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But why would it change with AS joining oneworld? AA has had the exact same lounge access rules for a very long time (decades) and has temporarily made them considerably more generous this year (as others noted). It's not like the AS service to Costa Rica from LAX is a huge increase in lounge-eligible passengers, and it will be an even-smaller increase in lounge-eligible passengers who actually make the trek over to TBIT. Assuming the AS flights aren't right at peak lounge times (haven't checked the schedule), I don't see why QF wouldn't happily take the bit of lounge access fees AS presumably pays as the operating carrier of the flight.
Maybe, but again, AA has had the same rules for a long time, and if AS wanted to use different rules than AA (which would have made sense – I expected AS to simply exclude their entire network (itineraries within true North America from oneworld lounge access rules), I would think the simplest time to do so would have been today, not starting with the AA rules and then changing them later.
Mar 31, 2021, 6:49 pm
#23
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Hadn't noticed CX; that's odd. I wonder if it's deliberate or just a mistake, something they failed to change from the pre-oneworld rules? (There are a lot of changes today; easy to see something getting missed!) They're explicit that FJ oneworld Connect recognition will come later, though.
But why would it change with AS joining oneworld? AA has had the exact same lounge access rules for a very long time (decades) and has temporarily made them considerably more generous this year (as others noted). It's not like the AS service to Costa Rica from LAX is a huge increase in lounge-eligible passengers, and it will be an even-smaller increase in lounge-eligible passengers who actually make the trek over to TBIT. Assuming the AS flights aren't right at peak lounge times (haven't checked the schedule), I don't see why QF wouldn't happily take the bit of lounge access fees AS presumably pays as the operating carrier of the flight.
Maybe, but again, AA has had the same rules for a long time, and if AS wanted to use different rules than AA (which would have made sense – I expected AS to simply exclude their entire network (itineraries within true North America from oneworld lounge access rules), I would think the simplest time to do so would have been today, not starting with the AA rules and then changing them later.
But why would it change with AS joining oneworld? AA has had the exact same lounge access rules for a very long time (decades) and has temporarily made them considerably more generous this year (as others noted). It's not like the AS service to Costa Rica from LAX is a huge increase in lounge-eligible passengers, and it will be an even-smaller increase in lounge-eligible passengers who actually make the trek over to TBIT. Assuming the AS flights aren't right at peak lounge times (haven't checked the schedule), I don't see why QF wouldn't happily take the bit of lounge access fees AS presumably pays as the operating carrier of the flight.
Maybe, but again, AA has had the same rules for a long time, and if AS wanted to use different rules than AA (which would have made sense – I expected AS to simply exclude their entire network (itineraries within true North America from oneworld lounge access rules), I would think the simplest time to do so would have been today, not starting with the AA rules and then changing them later.
But I think the simplest thing from a tech standpoint is what they did, match AA on Sabre re:OW programming and flip the switch. Of course it's far more involved than that, but the platform is where it begins.
Mar 31, 2021, 7:57 pm
#24
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: PDX
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Checked my BA reservation today.. unable to select seats without the exorbitant fees as MVPG. Will check back tomorrow, then if still unable will jump hoops to remove and re-enter frequent flyer number and try again.
Mar 31, 2021, 8:25 pm
#25
Join Date: Jul 2019
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Go to https://www.finnair.com/au/gb/manage-booking-login, look up booking via confirmation code, and add your AS ffn. This will jumpstart the process. Log out, go back in to BA, and see what happens. It took me half day for the system to kick in and not give me an error code, but now my flights are all with confirmed seats
Mar 31, 2021, 9:04 pm
#26
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Go to https://www.finnair.com/au/gb/manage-booking-login, look up booking via confirmation code, and add your AS ffn. This will jumpstart the process. Log out, go back in to BA, and see what happens. It took me half day for the system to kick in and not give me an error code, but now my flights are all with confirmed seats
Mar 31, 2021, 9:15 pm
#27
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Mar 31, 2021, 9:44 pm
#28
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It should have cross-populated, but as Mwenenzi suggested, give it a chance to recognize it before adding it back in manually.
Mar 31, 2021, 10:11 pm
#29
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