Some Passengers Banned on AS Flight Back From the DC Insurrection
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Yup, that’s exactly right! If they divert to another airports. They will remove some passengers off the flight. If they don’t behave well. They must follow the rules. You must obey to your flight crew instructions. You have listen to your flight attendants. Keep your mask on during the flight.
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Because we are the greatest nation in the world with the best health care, military, education, employment, and fairness of all time and nobody is going to tell us otherwise. Even if all the scientific evidence that disputes these claims
#33
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A private enterprise has every right to mandate their house rules. Don't like it, then can go elsewhere or without. Though I believe masks are prudent and offer some protection (always have), the issue I have is when they (anyone or entity that is not the private enterprise whose rules I'm subjected to for their service or product) say you *must* comply. I'm an adult and can make my own decisions.
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#34
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I don't think there's a strong aversion per se to the above, but some just don't like being told what to do, as if they're a child. I have no qualms with masks, and engaged in the practice during a time when others suggested I shouldn't. I thought they should mind their own business then, as I think they should now.
A private enterprise has every right to mandate their house rules. Don't like it, then can go elsewhere or without. Though I believe masks are prudent and offer some protection (always have), the issue I have is when they (anyone or entity that is not the private enterprise whose rules I'm subjected to for their service or product) say you *must* comply. I'm an adult and can make my own decisions.
A private enterprise has every right to mandate their house rules. Don't like it, then can go elsewhere or without. Though I believe masks are prudent and offer some protection (always have), the issue I have is when they (anyone or entity that is not the private enterprise whose rules I'm subjected to for their service or product) say you *must* comply. I'm an adult and can make my own decisions.
no indoor smoking or within 20 feet of a door for federal buildings has also been accepted as norm based upon primarily health and safety. This occurred easily after tobacco Corp accepted scientific data that smoking and second hand smoke could “potentially “ be associated with cancer risk.
Mask “mandate” if needed to be litigated would be likely on par, but again scientific data must be acknowledged and verified then accepted. Some in the community still believe the earth is flat and that the moon landings were staged. We need not wait for 100% to accept because 100% requirement is a false doomed to fail barrier.
no shoes , no shirt, no mask, no fly, no exceptions.
#35
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no shoes, no shirt, no service has been well litigated and deemed acceptable based upon safety and social etiquette.
no indoor smoking or within 20 feet of a door for federal buildings has also been accepted as norm based upon primarily health and safety. This occurred easily after tobacco Corp accepted scientific data that smoking and second hand smoke could “potentially “ be associated with cancer risk.
Mask “mandate” if needed to be litigated would be likely on par, but again scientific data must be acknowledged and verified then accepted. Some in the community still believe the earth is flat and that the moon landings were staged. We need not wait for 100% to accept because 100% requirement is a false doomed to fail barrier.
no shoes , no shirt, no mask, no fly, no exceptions.
no indoor smoking or within 20 feet of a door for federal buildings has also been accepted as norm based upon primarily health and safety. This occurred easily after tobacco Corp accepted scientific data that smoking and second hand smoke could “potentially “ be associated with cancer risk.
Mask “mandate” if needed to be litigated would be likely on par, but again scientific data must be acknowledged and verified then accepted. Some in the community still believe the earth is flat and that the moon landings were staged. We need not wait for 100% to accept because 100% requirement is a false doomed to fail barrier.
no shoes , no shirt, no mask, no fly, no exceptions.
Remember that masks are required by air carriers, not by CDC/DOT rule. As many hotels are finding, tough measures are a marketing plus. Most passengers want everyone to wear masks and it is likely an economic loss to a carrier which does not require masks. I am certain that as the number of people "banned" increases, the marketing analytics people are looking at who those people are and I am willing to bet that the majority are folks the carriers are just fine losing as customers.
#36
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Yup, that’s exactly right! If they divert to another airports. They will remove some passengers off the flight. If they don’t behave well. They must follow the rules. You must obey to your flight crew instructions. You have listen to your flight attendants. Keep your mask on during the flight.
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There would be security issues with landing at a military airport and turning some passengers loose. Most "private" airports can't handle large jets.
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Keep in mind that a significant percentage of these maskless goons spend most of their days not wearing masks, thus increasing the likelihood that they could be an unwitting (or is it witless) carrier of Covid-19. They shouldn't be given any quarter. If logic and polite requests don't work, they should be treated like like the threat that they are and red carded. One warning. That's it.
Again, these "kind" but evidently simple minded FAs who think they're doing these losers a favor by being extra lenient with them are in reality putting all the passengers around them at heightened risk of contracting Covid. They always say how "Safety is our first concern". Well, in the Age of Covid, wearing a mask is an integral part of the safety protocol.
Allow me to quote New England Coach Bill Belichik in advising Alaska's FAs: "DO YOUR JOBS!"
#39
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That woman had an onion wrapped in her towel. Somewhat theatrical.
#41
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True! The MPs could just escort them to outside the entry gate for the base, and leave them surrounded by rattlers and tumbleweeds...
#42
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This kind of behavior by Alaska FA's really annoys me. There's a good reason for the mask mandate and for the consequences that follow failure to comply. Alaska puts a lot of emphasis on friendly and kind employees (Witness all the "Committed to Kindness" pins) and while that's appreciated, it's out of pace if being kind means essentially allowing others to do as they please at the expense of public safety.
Keep in mind that a significant percentage of these maskless goons spend most of their days not wearing masks, thus increasing the likelihood that they could be an unwitting (or is it witless) carrier of Covid-19. They shouldn't be given any quarter. If logic and polite requests don't work, they should be treated like like the threat that they are and red carded. One warning. That's it.
Again, these "kind" but evidently simple minded FAs who think they're doing these losers a favor by being extra lenient with them are in reality putting all the passengers around them at heightened risk of contracting Covid. They always say how "Safety is our first concern". Well, in the Age of Covid, wearing a mask is an integral part of the safety protocol.
Allow me to quote New England Coach Bill Belichik in advising Alaska's FAs: "DO YOUR JOBS!"
Keep in mind that a significant percentage of these maskless goons spend most of their days not wearing masks, thus increasing the likelihood that they could be an unwitting (or is it witless) carrier of Covid-19. They shouldn't be given any quarter. If logic and polite requests don't work, they should be treated like like the threat that they are and red carded. One warning. That's it.
Again, these "kind" but evidently simple minded FAs who think they're doing these losers a favor by being extra lenient with them are in reality putting all the passengers around them at heightened risk of contracting Covid. They always say how "Safety is our first concern". Well, in the Age of Covid, wearing a mask is an integral part of the safety protocol.
Allow me to quote New England Coach Bill Belichik in advising Alaska's FAs: "DO YOUR JOBS!"
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with all respect, what is it that you want them to do? You're 40,000 feet in the air, you've asked multiple times to no avail, beyond the yellow card what is the solution. Strongarm someone? Maybe I misread the post that you're referring to but I thought I read that the FA's said they asked the person several times and beyond that their only recourse is the yellow card. They're right. What else can they do? If you've got a viable solution I'm all ears because this has become the bane of my existence - and I feel like I'm doing my job very well.
There's been discussion elsewhere of adding an airlock and a plank to walk, but that would take refitting of aircraft.
FWIW, I've been flying AS throughout the pandemic and have been happy with the way crews have handled things. Fortunately I haven't been on a plane with a group of belligerent non-mask wearers.
#44
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with all respect, what is it that you want them to do? You're 40,000 feet in the air, you've asked multiple times to no avail, beyond the yellow card what is the solution. Strongarm someone? Maybe I misread the post that you're referring to but I thought I read that the FA's said they asked the person several times and beyond that their only recourse is the yellow card. They're right. What else can they do? If you've got a viable solution I'm all ears because this has become the bane of my existence - and I feel like I'm doing my job very well.
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