[Speculation] AS Market Cap and AA / OW
I don't think you can read a ton into this - but was looking at airline market cap values and AA and AS are very close now. AA is at $4.1B and AS at $3.8B. Back in October the difference was AA $13.1B and AS $8.5B.
The international carriers have been hardest hit by COVID19, so that not a surprise. The Legacy carriers all have dropped 60-70% since October. Domestics and discount have been in the 44% to 55% range (except Spirit who is at 65% drop.) I don't know if this factors into the partnership at all between AS and AA. Is a more stable domestic network something AA needs more or is it a liability when that is all thats left for AA? Or is this just investors assuming anyone with international exposure is looking at a much harder recovery compared to the domestic market? Does it have an impact on OW? Anyway... a post about flying when I can't fly.... |
Originally Posted by williwaw
(Post 32396279)
I don't think you can read a ton into this - but was looking at airline market cap values and AA and AS are very close now. AA is at $4.1B and AS at $3.8B. Back in October the difference was AA $13.1B and AS $8.5B.
The international carriers have been hardest hit by COVID19, so that not a surprise. The Legacy carriers all have dropped 60-70% since October. Domestics and discount have been in the 44% to 55% range (except Spirit who is at 65% drop.) I don't know if this factors into the partnership at all between AS and AA. Is a more stable domestic network something AA needs more or is it a liability when that is all thats left for AA? Or is this just investors assuming anyone with international exposure is looking at a much harder recovery compared to the domestic market? Does it have an impact on OW? Anyway... a post about flying when I can't fly.... |
Originally Posted by williwaw
(Post 32396279)
I don't think you can read a ton into this - but was looking at airline market cap values and AA and AS are very close now. AA is at $4.1B and AS at $3.8B. Back in October the difference was AA $13.1B and AS $8.5B.
The international carriers have been hardest hit by COVID19, so that not a surprise. The Legacy carriers all have dropped 60-70% since October. Domestics and discount have been in the 44% to 55% range (except Spirit who is at 65% drop.) I don't know if this factors into the partnership at all between AS and AA. Is a more stable domestic network something AA needs more or is it a liability when that is all thats left for AA? Or is this just investors assuming anyone with international exposure is looking at a much harder recovery compared to the domestic market? Does it have an impact on OW? Anyway... a post about flying when I can't fly.... |
When you can't afford to wage war, you make peace.
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Originally Posted by PDXPremier
(Post 32396383)
Does this mean AS is that much closer to just buying AA outright? :)
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Market cap just reflects the current stock price, right? All this means is that AA has proportionately dropped more than AS. But, this says nothing about the eventual rebound -- AA could outpace AS on the rebound, for all we know. The market cap ratio in 2021 could look more like the 2018/2019 ratio.
Yes, if there is no rebound, then we have bigger problems to worry about... |
Originally Posted by williwaw
(Post 32396631)
AS did pay $4B for VX, so..... (j/k)
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Originally Posted by AndyPatterson
(Post 32396643)
Market cap just reflects the current stock price, right? All this means is that AA has proportionately dropped more than AS. But, this says nothing about the eventual rebound -- AA could outpace AS on the rebound, for all we know. The market cap ratio in 2021 could look more like the 2018/2019 ratio.
Yes, if there is no rebound, then we have bigger problems to worry about... James |
Originally Posted by AndyPatterson
(Post 32396643)
Market cap just reflects the current stock price, right? All this means is that AA has proportionately dropped more than AS. But, this says nothing about the eventual rebound -- AA could outpace AS on the rebound, for all we know. The market cap ratio in 2021 could look more like the 2018/2019 ratio.
Yes, if there is no rebound, then we have bigger problems to worry about... |
Originally Posted by williwaw
(Post 32396631)
AS did pay $4B for VX, so..... (j/k)
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Originally Posted by sfozrhfco
(Post 32396785)
AA’s stock is discounted because they have a boatload of debt. Would you pay $4 billion with a nice bonus of $24 billion in debt which comes with the purchase in the midst of a global pandemic?
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Regarding the effect on the partnership, it seems to me that weaker airlines need partners more. As airlines retreat, they can’t be all things to everybody anymore. In AA’s case, their network would be increasingly focused on their strongest hubs, especially DFW, CLT, and DCA, which means less overlap with AS’s network. So I’d think that makes the partnership more important to AA.
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Originally Posted by milypan
(Post 32397085)
Furthermore, their mileage program has an appraised value of $18-30 billion. So if you get rid of that, then you’ve taken on a ton of debt and thrown away the assets. And if you don’t get rid of it, then welcome to the new Alaska AAdvantage Program...
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