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Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread (2020-2022)

Old Dec 30, 2019, 1:03 pm
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Wiki for using AS (Alaska) Miles on JL (Japan Airlines)

All awards for domestic Japan will default to Economy (including international F or J award with domestic segments).
However, these can often be upgraded at reasonable cost at the ticket counter in the Japan connecting airport

Award Chart
If not listed it's not available - EXCEPTION: Hawaii-Asia awards are bookable, not yet on the chart, at the same prices as Continental U.S.-Asia
(As of March 2017, Premium Economy is no longer available)
(As of October 2019, stopovers are no longer allowed on intra Asia awards)

For 2021:
F awards are available again to book directly on AS website (no need to book J then try to change segment) as of June 12, 2021.

Class of Service One-way Round-trip:

U.S./Canada to Asia
Coach 35,000 70,000
Premium 40,000 80,000
Business 60,000 120,000
First 70,000 140,000

U.S./Canada to Southeast Asia
Coach 40,000 80,000
Premium 45,000 90,000
Business 65,000 130,000
First 75,000 150,000

Intra Asia
Coach 15,000 30,000
Premium 17,500 35,000
Business 25,000 50,000
First 30,000 60,000


International gateways
All AS valid destinations from Tokyo (HND/NRT), Osaka (KIX) or Nagoya (NGO).
PUS, GMP, ICN, DLC, PVG, SHA, PEK, TSA, TPE, KHH, CAN, HKG, MNL, HAN, SGN, BKK, SIN, KUL, CGK, DEL, HNL, KOA, YVR, SFO, SEA, LAX, SAN, ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK

USA

Boston - BOS
Chicago - ORD
Dallas - DFW
Honolulu - HNL
Kona -KOA
Los Angeles - LAX
New York - JFK
San Diego - SAN
San Francisco - SFO
Seattle - SEA

Canada
Vancouver - YVR

Asia

Delhi - DEL
Tokyo - HND & NRT
Osaka - KIX
Nagoya - NGO
Busan - PUS
Seoul - Gimpo GMP
Seoul - Incheon ICN


Southeast Asia (or listed as SE based on how awards are pricing)
Bangkok - BKK
Beijing - PEK
Dalian - DLC
Guangzhou - CAN
Hanoi - HAN
Ho Chi Minh City - SGN
Hong Kong - HKG
Jakarta - CGK
Kaohsiung - KHH
Kuala Lumpur - KUL
Manila - MNL
Shanghai - Hongqiao - SHA
Shanghai - Pudong - PVG
Singapore - SIN
Taipei - TPE
Taipei - Songshan - TSA
Tianjin - TSN (only from Nagoya, not very useful....)


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Definitive "Booking Japan Airlines (JL) Using AS Miles" Thread (2020-2022)

Old Jan 17, 2020, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by skimthetrees
Your question does not have a simple answer. It is pretty much answered in the 2019 thread.

The simple answer is no, Alaska does not not get all of JL's premium availability. IOW, they do have access to it but they hide it sometimes and make it difficult or impossible to book. I am pretty sure you are searching for flights within the first 5-6 days of schedule open, right? This is where you will see issues like you desribe. Outside that limited window AS mostly has access to everything AA does with the caveat that schedule caching may temporarily block it.

Within the first 5 days of schedule open you can try using the calendar trick which sometimes show more options. For example, NYC-TYO on 12/9 shows only economy with a regular search. Using the calendar trick Business and First also show.
Maybe this needs to be in the wiki, with a description/illustration of the calendar trick?
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Old Jan 17, 2020, 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL
Does JAL still open up last minute F awards? Looking at the next 2 weeks, pickings seem pretty scarce.
I guess it depends on the route. I'm seeing tons of NRT-ORD space within the first 2 weeks, that seems to be when they open the F awards up. I have J right now booked for Feb, hoping F opens up on the same day or near it.
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Old Jan 17, 2020, 2:19 pm
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Thanks skimthetrees , that's super helpful! Yes, looking within the first few days of AS's booking window, and that's where I see the largest mismatch on availability.

You're right that the availability will show on the calendar, but if you try to move forward ("continue"), the flight still won't populate. In practice, should agents still be able to see that on the phone? I asked one agent and got a simple "our award shop looks just like yours for JAL"
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Old Jan 17, 2020, 3:10 pm
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Upgrade AS award with JL miles?

I booked two seats in Y for NYC > HND in April. Am I able to upgrade these seats using JL miles or would I have to use AS miles, subject to space that shows up via AS?
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Old Jan 17, 2020, 3:19 pm
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Originally Posted by jomama341
I booked two seats in Y for NYC > HND in April. Am I able to upgrade these seats using JL miles or would I have to use AS miles, subject to space that shows up via AS?
I believe you have to use AS miles and pay a $125 change fee
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Old Jan 17, 2020, 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
Maybe this needs to be in the wiki, with a description/illustration of the calendar trick?
While this would be good to get the word out I am not sure whether putting the word out is a good idea. I get the feeling AS is intentionally hiding this availability and publicizing it more will make it more likely they spend the effort to shut down the workarounds. Today when I checked the calendar view one extra day was unhidden but others were still blocked. This is worse than I have seen in the past and I don't think it is accidental. There is another workaround described in the 2019 thread. People who are interested can search for it there. I am going to refrain from mentioning it unless someone else brings it up.
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Old Jan 18, 2020, 9:00 am
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Originally Posted by skimthetrees
While this would be good to get the word out I am not sure whether putting the word out is a good idea. I get the feeling AS is intentionally hiding this availability and publicizing it more will make it more likely they spend the effort to shut down the workarounds. Today when I checked the calendar view one extra day was unhidden but others were still blocked. This is worse than I have seen in the past and I don't think it is accidental. There is another workaround described in the 2019 thread. People who are interested can search for it there. I am going to refrain from mentioning it unless someone else brings it up.
Understand. The challenge here is that the workaround doesn't seem to work (at least on these dates, maybe because they're the last few days of the window). Even starting from the beginning, it could show, but on the second step, nothing.
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Old Jan 18, 2020, 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by dcphlyer
Understand. The challenge here is that the workaround doesn't seem to work (at least on these dates, maybe because they're the last few days of the window). Even starting from the beginning, it could show, but on the second step, nothing.
Check the 2019 thread. There may be a way to accomplish what you want. Sent you a PM.
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Old Jan 20, 2020, 7:56 am
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BLR ???

Any insight as to when awards to/from BLR will be offered?
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Old Jan 20, 2020, 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by LRD
Any insight as to when awards to/from BLR will be offered?
From the US it still looks to be on the charts but the website errors out when searching for flights. I see two possibilities:

1) It is a true website bug in which case it will be fixed when someone in AS IT gets tasked to fixed it. Possibly reporting the bug to the right contact in AS would help?

2) It's a feature and AS does not want to allow these awards going forward. Then it will never be offered and the best we can hope for is for AS to update their award charts to reflect the loss.
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Old Jan 21, 2020, 7:02 pm
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I booked an award on JL flights online with a domestic connection. I called to change the time of the domestic connection. I have done that successfully before but this time, the agent said she was getting an error message when trying to ticket the new itinerary and that she would send it to the ticketing desk. It sounds like that could take some time from what she said (she said up to 7 days initially then said that since the flight was in two weeks, it probably would be done before that).
I went through the 2019 and before thread and saw someone having a ticketing time issue but that person never came back to say what the result was.
Should I worry with AS ticketing system?
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Old Jan 21, 2020, 8:30 pm
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Originally Posted by DeltaFlyingProf
I booked an award on JL flights online with a domestic connection. I called to change the time of the domestic connection. I have done that successfully before but this time, the agent said she was getting an error message when trying to ticket the new itinerary and that she would send it to the ticketing desk. It sounds like that could take some time from what she said (she said up to 7 days initially then said that since the flight was in two weeks, it probably would be done before that).
I went through the 2019 and before thread and saw someone having a ticketing time issue but that person never came back to say what the result was.
Should I worry with AS ticketing system?
Typical issue is usually getting the award space. Have you confirmed you see the domestic award space on Alaska website?
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Old Jan 22, 2020, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by Tokyoite
Typical issue is usually getting the award space. Have you confirmed you see the domestic award space on Alaska website?
Yes and they did grab it. So I have a booking with my updated domestic JL flight, transpac JL flight and AS flights at the end. It is the re-ticketing that was giving the agent an error.
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Old Jan 22, 2020, 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by DeltaFlyingProf
Yes and they did grab it. So I have a booking with my updated domestic JL flight, transpac JL flight and AS flights at the end. It is the re-ticketing that was giving the agent an error.
Does the new flight show up online when you pull up your itinerary? I would give it 2-3 days and then call back if not ticketed, mentioning that your flight is coming up soon.
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Old Jan 22, 2020, 11:18 am
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Though the agent on the phone had said it should take several day, I received an email this morning and it has been re-ticketed. No problem. I was just a bit cautious given past experiences with AA and BD (RIP ).
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