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American Airlines Adds Three New Flights to Alaska - More "Partner" Competition

American Airlines Adds Three New Flights to Alaska - More "Partner" Competition

Old Aug 29, 19, 10:13 am
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American Airlines Adds Three New Flights to Alaska - More "Partner" Competition

ANC-ORD
FAI-DFW
FAI-ORD

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Am...558690231.html
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Old Aug 29, 19, 11:05 am
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AA has spent decades ignoring Alaska, I think mostly because they had AS to do their bidding up there; seems they are finally figuring out itís a good place to send planes for at least part of the year.

With the degradation of the AS/AA codeshare, Iíd say itís only a matter of time before AA serves ANC year-round again, and it seems DFW-ANC would be the most likely candidate.
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Old Aug 29, 19, 11:16 am
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This clobbers AS on what are likely high PRASM routes.
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Old Aug 29, 19, 11:40 am
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This Ďrelationshipí between AA and AS is on life support...
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Old Aug 29, 19, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1 View Post
This clobbers AS on what are likely high PRASM routes.
AS already flies ANC-ORD, so thereís that.

AS is never going to fly a route like FAI-ORD or FAI-DFW, though. FAI is a spoke outstation for AS; with the exception of the SCC/BRW stuff there isnít any non-hub flying there and they arenít going to fly to a lower 48 city that isnít a hub. UA and AA can make these long and thin ORD/DFW/DEN/SFO-FAI flights work because of the strength of their hubs in those cities.

I do, however, think AS has shot themselves in the foot in ANC. Theyíve let other airlines get a toehold and start cherry picking traffic when ANC should be a locked down hub for AS. They cut ANC-DEN...now UA flies it twice daily in peak season. They cut ANC-YVR...now AC flies it twice daily. They finally added ANC-SFO back after letting UA own it for about the last 15 years or so. AA started flying an internationally configured wide body 787 in to ANC this year, and it was packed most days. Those are the most obvious examples.
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Old Aug 29, 19, 3:52 pm
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On the last earnings conference call AS management did respond to a question about the threat that the NEOs and other longer range aircraft may have on the Alaska market. Passengers from outside the West Coast will no longer need to fly through SEA to get to their destinations and more fuel efficient, right sized aircraft will have the capacity to service a much larger segment of the country. Although ties between Alaska and Washington state have been strong, there is definitely room for other carriers to come in and take some of the non-local traffic from AS--especially during the peak summer period.
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Old Aug 29, 19, 4:45 pm
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This combined with the refocus of California flying to destinations in the West may also be linked to the rumored gutting of the AA/AS partnership. Flying to destinations outside the West with no hope of any AA connecting traffic makes these random flights less attractive to AS and having no link up to AS means AA should begin to service the state of Alaska from places where its customers originate. Guess we will find out soon when/if AA/AS are splitting up for good.
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Old Aug 29, 19, 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Chugach View Post


AS already flies ANC-ORD, so thereís that.

AS is never going to fly a route like FAI-ORD or FAI-DFW, though. FAI is a spoke outstation for AS; with the exception of the SCC/BRW stuff there isnít any non-hub flying there and they arenít going to fly to a lower 48 city that isnít a hub. UA and AA can make these long and thin ORD/DFW/DEN/SFO-FAI flights work because of the strength of their hubs in those cities.

I do, however, think AS has shot themselves in the foot in ANC. Theyíve let other airlines get a toehold and start cherry picking traffic when ANC should be a locked down hub for AS. They cut ANC-DEN...now UA flies it twice daily in peak season. They cut ANC-YVR...now AC flies it twice daily. They finally added ANC-SFO back after letting UA own it for about the last 15 years or so. AA started flying an internationally configured wide body 787 in to ANC this year, and it was packed most days. Those are the most obvious examples.
That's the whole point. It will be hard for AS to compete, even on ANC-ORD, against an A-321 on a route with a lot of paid F. The FAI-DFW hop is simply OIL & GAS to OIL & GAS.

The problem for AS is the impact of losing high PRASM routes to a competitor in the heart of its turf.
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Old Aug 29, 19, 5:19 pm
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That's the whole point. It will be hard for AS to compete, even on ANC-ORD, against an A-321 on a route with a lot of paid F. The FAI-DFW hop is simply OIL & GAS to OIL & GAS.

The problem for AS is the impact of losing high PRASM routes to a competitor in the heart of its turf.
FAI-DFW has next to nothing to do with oil and gas. Other than that I agree.
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Old Aug 29, 19, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1 View Post
That's the whole point. It will be hard for AS to compete, even on ANC-ORD, against an A-321 on a route with a lot of paid F. The FAI-DFW hop is simply OIL & GAS to OIL & GAS.

The problem for AS is the impact of losing high PRASM routes to a competitor in the heart of its turf.
There is no oil and gas traffic to FAI unless AA is planning on connecting to AS flights to SCC.
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Old Aug 29, 19, 8:22 pm
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Originally Posted by sfozrhfco View Post
rumored gutting of the AA/AS partnership.
Rumored? It's already gutted at this point. The only things left are codeshares, international accrual on AA to AS, and award redemptions. As long as the competition is at the margins (AA isn't starting hubs at SEA/PDX for example), there's not much reason to throw the rest of it away.
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Old Aug 29, 19, 9:12 pm
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There's still lots of loyalty in Alaska to Alaska. That will matter. People will fly with their chosen frequent flyer program is the price is competitive.

Connections via ORD are going to be lost to AA.
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Old Aug 30, 19, 10:30 am
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Lost in the shuffle is it appears AA isnít bringing PHX-ANC back next summer. I wonder if AS might make this route year round now (for the last few years AS has flown it in winter and AA in summer).
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Old Aug 30, 19, 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by Chugach View Post
Lost in the shuffle is it appears AA isnít bringing PHX-ANC back next summer. I wonder if AS might make this route year round now (for the last few years AS has flown it in winter and AA in summer).
You've got to be kidding me. However, this should be a winter seasonal anyway. With the amount of Alaskans who bought places in AZ during the national recession, there must be enough demand to justify at least a 5X weekly nonstop. These are the types of folks who would pay quite a bit extra for a 4.5 to 5 hour direct compared to a 6.5+ hour one-stop.
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Old Aug 30, 19, 12:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Often1 View Post
The problem for AS is the impact of losing high PRASM routes to a competitor in the heart of its turf.
How is AS loosing high PRASM routes when it doesn't fly DFW-Alaska non-stop?
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