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Old Jul 22, 19, 10:26 pm
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SFO CONNECTION TIME EX-IntíL Flight

Whatís a real minimum connection time for SFO, coming off of Iceland Air to an Alaska flight? Looks like from landing the last Alaska flight would give me 70 minutes. No global entry here either.
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Old Jul 22, 19, 10:36 pm
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Youíd blow a 70 minute connection with no Global Entry easy with a 30 minute delay or so. Are you checking bags? Add some time for that too. And is this all on the same ticket? Do you have elite status?

i did a three hour ďconnectionĒ on separate TP/AS tickets (quotes because it ainít actually a connection on separate tickets) and thanks to TP being late it was more like 90 minutes. I have Global Entry. There were still lines. Made it through to the flight and checked a bag, but it was tight. Would have been up a creek without GE or MVPG status that would let me change flight times for $0 if it came down to it. I would have been considerably more conservative in that case.
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Old Jul 22, 19, 11:10 pm
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Looks like from landing the last Alaska flight would give me 70 minutes. No global entry here either.
Separate tickets? No GE? 2 to 3 hours. And hope you don't get stuck in this: Immigration Mayhem at SFO
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Old Jul 22, 19, 11:13 pm
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ExpertFlyer says international-to-domestic MCT at SFO is an hour and forty-five minutes, and that's the minimum you'll find on a single ticket, where the airline is reasonably certain that you'll make your onward connection and is willing to accept the minor risk that you won't. Give yourself plenty of buffer time--three hours bare minimum. Hell, I have a TP-to-DL "connection" across separate tickets coming up next year, and I gave myself a good five hours between arrival and departure. My flight from LIS could be substantially late, and I'd still make my connection with some time to kill in the Sky Club, and if it's not, I have time to take the BART into the Mission and get a burrito.
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If no GE + separate tickets I would suggest a minimum of 3 hours for your connection.
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Old Jul 23, 19, 2:39 am
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You are not going to make it for sure, even with the best case scenario.

1. You will be most likely arriving at ITA. AS is in T2. It takes at least 10 minutes of walking/or AirTrain from ITA to T2.

2. Due to the design of ITA, some planes may need additional taxi time.

3. Immigration and customs takes you at least 20-30 minutes.

4. You still need to go through TSA at T2.

Your 70-minute connection is now 10 minutes or less. Do you really still want to bet this?
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Down load Mobile Passport. It will speed things up considerably on the Passport side.

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citize...ssport-control
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Old Jul 24, 19, 1:42 pm
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Down load Mobile Passport. It will speed things up considerably on the Passport side.

https://www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citize...ssport-control
It won't help OP because OP's purported connection is way below the MCT established by many airlines.
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It won't help OP because OP's purported connection is way below the MCT established by many airlines.
Yeah, the line to see a passport officer (non-Global Entry) was stupid long when I was there earlier this summer, for both US passport holders and non-US passport holders. And as you said, the distances to get to AS's terminal aren't trivial. Mobile Passport doesn't help you skip the lines, it just makes it go faster once you get to the officer.

If OP doesn't mind risking a night at SFO at their own expense and having to plead their case to be put on standby for an AS flight the next morning (worst case scenario: "No, your ticket's dead, go buy a walkup ticket"), since they said " the last Alaska flight"... OK, sure. All on the OP to decide what acceptable risk is. But this isn't an easy-peasy connection. There's a real risk of not making that onward flight with just 70 minutes.
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Old Jul 24, 19, 4:02 pm
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Yeah, the line to see a passport officer (non-Global Entry) was stupid long when I was there earlier this summer, for both US passport holders and non-US passport holders. And as you said, the distances to get to AS's terminal aren't trivial. Mobile Passport doesn't help you skip the lines, it just makes it go faster once you get to the officer.
Mobile Passport is a mobile app that enables travelers entering the United States to submit their passport information and customs declaration form to U.S. Customs and Border Protection via smartphone or tablet and go through the inspections process using an expedited lane.

On mobile passport there is a separate queue so you get to see the officer much faster than those without it. When arriving in SEA I stop to do my Nexus/Global Entry declaration at the kiosk while my partner, who has made his declaration while still on the plane, walks on by. You can make your declaration up to 4 hours before arriving at the US Point of entry. I go through the Global Entry queue and he goes through the Mobile Passport queue. We are cleared through customs within a minute or two of each other and sometimes he gets through before me. It is the same at LAX, SFO, MIA, JFK, PHL, PHX... and also works at some marine ports of entry like MIA & FLL.

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Originally Posted by Flying for Fun View Post
Mobile Passport is a mobile app that enables travelers entering the United States to submit their passport information and customs declaration form to U.S. Customs and Border Protection via smartphone or tablet and go through the inspections process using an expedited lane.

On mobile passport there is a separate queue so you get to see the officer much faster than those without it. When arriving in SEA I stop to do my Nexus/Global Entry declaration at the kiosk while my partner, who has made his declaration while still on the plane, walks on by. You can make your declaration up to 4 hours before arriving at the US Point of entry. I go through the Global Entry queue and he goes through the Mobile Passport queue. We are cleared through customs within a minute or two of each other and sometimes he gets through before me. It is the same at LAX, SFO, MIA, JFK, PHL, PHX... and also works at some marine ports of entry like MIA & FLL.

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Yes, and, some airports (not all) have separate customs lines once you've made it through the immigration step and collected baggage. As far as I know, mobile passport doesn't help you out there at all. With GE, I've bypassed a line at least a hundred people long and basically walked right out after handing my slip to the agent.
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Yes, and, some airports (not all) have separate customs lines once you've made it through the immigration step and collected baggage. As far as I know, mobile passport doesn't help you out there at all. With GE, I've bypassed a line at least a hundred people long and basically walked right out after handing my slip to the agent.
There is no stop at immigration. The expidited queue is in Customs. In SEA you come down the escalator into immigration, keep going past the Global Entry kiosks and down the escalator to baggage claim. You claim your bags if any checked and head through the mobile passport queue. The customes officer is your first and only contact from the plane to landside. It really is quite efficient.

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There is no stop at immigration. The expidited queue is in Customs. In SEA you come down the escalator into immigration, keep going past the Global Entry kiosks and down the escalator to baggage claim. You claim your bags if any checked and head through the mobile passport queue. The customes officer is your first and only contact from the plane to landside. It really is quite efficient.

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I didn't see anyone getting to run past me at GE at SFO (everybody was getting held up in lines, though the GE one was smaller), but OK. No, really, SFO immigration and customs was a zoo when I was just there earlier this month. 70 minutes isn't a safe connection, given that it's obviously below MCT, even with something that gets you through customs and immigrations in 10 minutes, any kind of significant delay is gonna blow it, as mentioned, just because of how spread out the international operation is at SFO, and how far it all is from AS's gates at T2, plus a reclear of TSA at T2. Unless you like running through airports (and maybe some folks do; in the end risk is up to the individual), bake in long connection. T2 isn't a terrible place to kill time if by some miracle you get a 70 minute connection...
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Old Jul 24, 19, 6:55 pm
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No need to argue Mobile Passport, GE, etc.

Let me end this once and for all - even without immigration and customers, it takes about 5 minutes from A6 (the usual gate for Icelandair) all the wait to the airside exit.

Whatever time saved is not sufficient for this crazy planning to be workable.
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Old Jul 24, 19, 8:06 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward View Post
I didn't see anyone getting to run past me at GE at SFO (everybody was getting held up in lines, though the GE one was smaller), but OK. No, really, SFO immigration and customs was a zoo when I was just there earlier this month. 70 minutes isn't a safe connection, given that it's obviously below MCT, even with something that gets you through customs and immigrations in 10 minutes, any kind of significant delay is gonna blow it, as mentioned, just because of how spread out the international operation is at SFO, and how far it all is from AS's gates at T2, plus a reclear of TSA at T2. Unless you like running through airports (and maybe some folks do; in the end risk is up to the individual), bake in long connection. T2 isn't a terrible place to kill time if by some miracle you get a 70 minute connection...
I don't disagree with you at all. 70 minutes in SFO isn't going to work no matter how you want to "slice or dice" it.

My point, was to illustrate that Mobile Passport is an expedited service, doesn't require a stop at immigration and has a dedicated queue at customs. In SEA you can be off the plane and landside in 5 minutes without checked bags.

The last time we arrived internationally in SFO was March and the process, I believe, was the same.

I am fine with people not utilizing the service. It keeps the system slim & trim.

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