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Patricia722 Jul 9, 2019 5:36 pm

Alaska Airlines diverted our flight - anyone know about cash compensation?
 
Newbie here. My family and I were supposed to land at Dulles in DC for July 4th but ended up diverted to Columbus, OH instead for “thunderstorms.” We ended up renting a car and driving over 5 hours in the middle of the night, arrived at my sister’s house in VA after 5 am on July 5th. We were told that because it was an “act of God” we could not get reimbursed for the car rental but Alaska Airlines gave each of us a $250 single use flight voucher instead (there are four of us).

Does anyone know of any options for cash compensation from Alaska Airlines in this circumstance? Any feedback would be great, thanks!

MonThruThurs Jul 9, 2019 5:39 pm

You’re lucky you got a voucher and Alaska landed safely. You’re not entitled to anything because of weather.

sutrosam Jul 9, 2019 5:41 pm

No, you're not going to get compensated for a weather diversion that was beyond the airline's control. Honestly a total of $1000 in travel bank credit sounds like a really great deal (I don't think AS' contract of carriage provides for any compensation for weather diversions, so this was an agent trying to do something nice for you) and likely is far more than what you paid for a one-way rental car. Sounds like you made out pretty well.

MonThruThurs Jul 9, 2019 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by sutrosam (Post 31287012)
No, you're not going to get compensated for a weather diversion that was beyond the airline's control. Honestly a total of $1000 in travel bank credit sounds like a really great deal (I don't think AS' contract of carriage provides for any compensation for weather diversions, so this was an agent trying to do something nice for you) and likely is far more than what you paid for a one-way rental car. Sounds like you made out pretty well.

OP got one voucher for 4 PAX. At least that’s how I read it.

zrs70 Jul 9, 2019 5:46 pm

OP, why are thunderstorms in “”? Do you think AS lied?

sutrosam Jul 9, 2019 5:51 pm


Originally Posted by MonThruThurs (Post 31287024)
OP got one voucher for 4 PAX. At least that’s how I read it.

OP:


Originally Posted by Patricia722 (Post 31286993)
gave each of us a $250 single use flight voucher instead (there are four of us).

Dunno about you, but that sure sounds like they got four $250 credits each, and per the T&Cs you can apply four travel certificates on one reservation. So, $1000.

jrl767 Jul 9, 2019 6:08 pm


Originally Posted by zrs70 (Post 31287026)
OP, why are thunderstorms in “”? Do you think AS lied?

indeed; there were some very significant t-storms in and around the DC area on the 4th

RAD_PDX Jul 9, 2019 6:09 pm

Hats off to Alaska for the generous goodwill gesture. You are entitled to nothing.

Patricia722 Jul 9, 2019 6:22 pm

Thank you
 
Thanks for the feedback. I don’t feel so badly about missing July 4th with the rest of my extended family now.

Often1 Jul 9, 2019 7:02 pm

Somebody at AS will get counselled if AS ever audits the $1,000 for a weather-related diversion.:D

Seriously, why on earth should there be any compensation and why should AS pay for a rental car. OP's travel insurance ought to cover the rental.

guv1976 Jul 9, 2019 7:26 pm


Originally Posted by Patricia722 (Post 31287118)
Thanks for the feedback. I don’t feel so badly about missing July 4th with the rest of my extended family now.

Was your AS flight cancelled after being diverted to CMH, or was it scheduled to continue on to Washington subsequently (perhaps the next day)?

If AS did not offer to transport you to your ticketed destination -- even after some delay -- I
​​​should think that you would be entitled to some cash compensation/partial refund of fare paid -- but you might have to sue (or get the media involved) to obtain it.

dayone Jul 9, 2019 7:58 pm


Originally Posted by sutrosam (Post 31287012)
Honestly a total of $1000 in travel bank credit sounds like a really great deal (I don't think AS' contract of carriage provides for any compensation for weather diversions, so this was an agent trying to do something nice for you) and likely is far more than what you paid for a one-way rental car. Sounds like you made out pretty well.

Not just "sounds like," that is a really great deal. I had a weather diversion in the Spring and I was given a $100 voucher. That seemed reasonable to me.

garykung Jul 9, 2019 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 31287207)
Seriously, why on earth should there be any compensation and why should AS pay for a rental car. OP's travel insurance ought to cover the rental.

Because AS never transported OP's family all the way to IAD?

FWIW - with this situation, OP's family could have invoke trip-in-vein and asked to transport back to the origin and got a full refund. Given the circumstance, $250 each in lieu of a refund sounds fair.

DCP2016 Jul 9, 2019 8:18 pm

What were they offering in terms of IRROPS recovery? They have an obligation to continue you on to your final destination. Did they continue the flight later on? Send a replacement crew? Rebook you guys on other flights out of CMH?

Patricia722 Jul 9, 2019 9:54 pm

They deplaned us in Columbus because of union regulations that state the flight crew could not work more than a 13 hour shift. When we landed in Columbus, they had already worked 12 hours, we waited on the tarmac for another hour, then they deplaned us because they could not receive clearance to return to Dulles and their shift had ended. Even if they received clearance to return, there was no one to fly the plane.

michaelstant Jul 9, 2019 10:02 pm

Sorry you missed your 4th. That doesn’t sound like a fun travel day, but weather is really out of the airlines control and $250 or $1,000 is more than they needed to do. I’d take $250 as full compensation.

trooper Jul 10, 2019 12:55 am


Originally Posted by Patricia722 (Post 31287609)
They deplaned us in Columbus because of union regulations that state the flight crew could not work more than a 13 hour shift. When we landed in Columbus, they had already worked 12 hours, we waited on the tarmac for another hour, then they deplaned us because they could not receive clearance to return to Dulles and their shift had ended. Even if they received clearance to return, there was no one to fly the plane.

Still interested in just HOW they said they would get you to the destination? If they did NOT offer SOME answer to that then you likely have a real case against them. ( If OTOH they offered flights to you - next day perhaps? - ...and you CHOSE to rent a car instead...then..no.)

Xrayman Jul 10, 2019 4:38 am


Originally Posted by trooper (Post 31287937)
Still interested in just HOW they said they would get you to the destination? If they did NOT offer SOME answer to that then you likely have a real case against them. ( If OTOH they offered flights to you - next day perhaps? - ...and you CHOSE to rent a car instead...then..no.)


I will presume this group of 4 were not the only people on the plane. This was likely a full or nearly full plane. I will then presume that AS likely prepared to move a crew into Columbus In the morning to move the piece of equipment to intended destination. Therefore AS would have been able to fulfill their obligation.

But this is just a guess. I doubt that AS gave everyone on the flight 250. The car rental and driving is a personal choice. I suspect the car rental one way was not 1000k.

Finally did AS get you home? I suspect they didn’t cancel your ticket and you got home on AS.

Overall weather sucks and is inconvenient but I value my family much more than anything. 13 hours is a long work day for some people and I would state that 13 hours for a pilot and crew is a reasonable limit for safety.

jsguyrus Jul 10, 2019 8:29 am

So it looks like we are talking about AS1084 SFO-IAD. The aircraft returned to SFO the following morning without ever continuing on to DC. In that case I would think they are entitled to reimbursement for the car and probably the goodwill gesture they received.

Looks like the return flight AS1077 from IAD was cancelled on 7/4. It also appears that on 7/5 they up gauged to an A321, probably to add more passengers that had been stranded at IAD.

Eujeanie Jul 10, 2019 8:50 am

So they just stranded a planeload of people in the middle of Ohio?

jsguyrus Jul 10, 2019 10:02 am


Originally Posted by Eujeanie (Post 31289047)
So they just stranded a planeload of people in the middle of Ohio?

Its possible they sent a rescue plane from an east coast location, but I cant find it on flightaware. I know the original aircraft returned to SFO.

JacksonFlyer Jul 10, 2019 10:07 am


Originally Posted by Eujeanie (Post 31289047)
So they just stranded a planeload of people in the middle of Ohio?

I think this is the question that many posters are asking of the OP; what did they tell you when you deplaned? My "guess" is that if the equipment did not go forward, then the offer was made to book the passengers on other airlines the following day....but I have no idea if that happened. I would find it hard to believe (though some here would disagree) that AS would just dump passengers without trying to get them to their original destination; whether they pay for hotel, etc. I do not know, but I am pretty sure they were booking passengers through in a time that may not have worked for the OP.....I hope they comment.

PotomacApproach Jul 10, 2019 11:52 am

Risk of flying AS east of the Rockies where they don’t have backup crews or planes. Had a 12 hour delay at IAD a month or so ago while they waited to get us a plane from the West Coast.

VegasGambler Jul 10, 2019 1:10 pm

Shouldn't the OP also get a full refund? After all they had a ticket to get from point A to point B and AS did not take them from point A to point B

The $250 is about in line with the compensation that AS usually gives in situations like this. It's not required but it's standard for them.

As far as arriving a day late... stuff like that happens when you fly. If it's really important to be somewhere on a certain day, fly a day or two earlier. Arriving a day after your scheduled arrival is not all that uncommon.

be_rettSEA Jul 10, 2019 1:41 pm


Originally Posted by VegasGambler (Post 31289961)
Shouldn't the OP also get a full refund? After all they had a ticket to get from point A to point B and AS did not take them from point A to point B

The $250 is about in line with the compensation that AS usually gives in situations like this. It's not required but it's standard for them.

As far as arriving a day late... stuff like that happens when you fly. If it's really important to be somewhere on a certain day, fly a day or two earlier. Arriving a day after your scheduled arrival is not all that uncommon.

There's no doubt in my mind that AS provided an alternative means of getting everyone to the final destination, though it may not have been ideal or acceptable to OP. I just can't fathom Alaska landing elsewhere due to weather and saying "sorry, we're pretty close, best of luck. no refunds" and that being the end of it. Perhaps OP didn't wait around to hear what the alternative was and doesn't know, or isn't monitoring these forums today to provide an update as to what was offered by AS.

VegasGambler Jul 11, 2019 8:30 pm


Originally Posted by be_rettSEA (Post 31290065)
There's no doubt in my mind that AS provided an alternative means of getting everyone to the final destination, though it may not have been ideal or acceptable to OP. I just can't fathom Alaska landing elsewhere due to weather and saying "sorry, we're pretty close, best of luck. no refunds" and that being the end of it. Perhaps OP didn't wait around to hear what the alternative was and doesn't know, or isn't monitoring these forums today to provide an update as to what was offered by AS.

It seems like if you turn down the alternate accommodations you should still get a refund.

If my flight is canceled, and they offer me a flight the next day, and I refuse, I can cancel for a full refund.

I understand that this is a little different because they got part-way there. OP probably could have claimed "trip in vain" and gotten a full refund and free transportation back home from the mid-way point... and they are asking for less than that.

Personally I would call (not email) AS customer care. I find that their agents are usually pretty accommodating. I'm not sure how much of this is due to status and how much is just regular policy. Still, emailing is likely to get you a canned response that may or may not have any bearing on the message that you wrote. On the other hands that phone agents are really good at listening, explaining the situation, and offering what I've always considered to be more than reasonable. They also seem to have a fair amount of discretion.

dayone Jul 11, 2019 10:51 pm


Originally Posted by VegasGambler (Post 31294796)
OP probably could have claimed "trip in vain" and gotten a full refund and free transportation back home from the mid-way point.

"Trip in Vain," like "Rule 240," is airline jargon that sometimes gets used without being fully understood. It is more of a guideline than a policy.

There is no guarantee that an airline will issue a full refund for a Trip in Vain if the delay or cancellation is outside its control (e.g., weather).

jjmadison Jul 21, 2019 7:12 pm

It happened again today (AS 266 SFO-EWR). The flight was diverted to BOS, canceled upon landing, and passengers were NOT offered alternative flights, with weather cited as the excuse. This is according to a report from a friend.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...650Z/KSFO/KBOS


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...dd6944a847.png

salut0 Jul 21, 2019 8:21 pm


Originally Posted by jjmadison (Post 31327959)
It happened again today (AS 266 SFO-EWR). The flight was diverted to BOS, canceled upon landing, and passengers were NOT offered alternative flights, with weather cited as the excuse. This is according to a report from a friend.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/...650Z/KSFO/KBOS


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...dd6944a847.png

Pity it wasn’t PHL, which is at least a shortish train ride from EWR (albeit with a change from SEPTA to Amtrak).

flyingstudent Jul 21, 2019 11:56 pm

The plane is being posited BOS-EWR tomorrow morning for the recovery segment EWR-SFO. Passengers on tonight's EWR-SFO were offered booking on the recovery segment or other airlines/AS flights either tonight or tomorrow.

ashejen Jul 22, 2019 12:47 pm

I guess I should be grateful then that a SEA-EWR flight a few weeks ago (that had my unaccompanied minor 7 year old onboard) was diverted to Dulles due to weather and then finished up at EWR only about 4.5 hours after the originally scheduled. :)


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