"I" Class Fares Live? (Yes)
Apr 3, 2019, 1:22 pm
#46
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My experience has been that the tickets on a single reservation go into the lowest bucket that fits them all, so it does not mix and match. It would jump over the I in this case if you had too many travelers. Happens with award tickets too, will jump to the higher redemption rate unless you break up the travelers.
I played with some fares way out and even though there was I space it wanted to sell me P tickets. But maybe there are implementation things still being sorted out.
I played with some fares way out and even though there was I space it wanted to sell me P tickets. But maybe there are implementation things still being sorted out.
With dual inventory check, there must be both I space open and something in Q/L/V/K buckets in order for one of the I fares to be bookable. Did you check those coach buckets as well? If there is nothing in those buckets, it will book in the cheapest S/B/M/H fare basis FC fares for which there is bucket availability and these book into the P booking class.
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Apr 3, 2019, 1:35 pm
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Apr 3, 2019, 8:46 pm
#48
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According to Experflyer. AS I class is dicounted Business Class. It also shows C & J as business class. Is AS moving more to a Oneworld semantic? AA calls their domest front of plane recliners First Class and their same planes flying international as Business.
James @ DOH enroute to KGL
James @ DOH enroute to KGL
Apr 3, 2019, 9:45 pm
#49
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This is the way it works on all airlines. In order to be on same PNR, all tickets must be the same fare. So if there is only one seat left in a bucket (doesn't matter which type of fare), and you are trying to book seats for two pax on the same PNR, it will force both pax in the next higher fare class where there are at least 2 seats.
With dual inventory check, there must be both I space open and something in Q/L/V/K buckets in order for one of the I fares to be bookable. Did you check those coach buckets as well? If there is nothing in those buckets, it will book in the cheapest S/B/M/H fare basis FC fares for which there is bucket availability and these book into the P booking class.
With dual inventory check, there must be both I space open and something in Q/L/V/K buckets in order for one of the I fares to be bookable. Did you check those coach buckets as well? If there is nothing in those buckets, it will book in the cheapest S/B/M/H fare basis FC fares for which there is bucket availability and these book into the P booking class.
Apr 16, 2019, 2:40 pm
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This is the way it works on all airlines. In order to be on same PNR, all tickets must be the same fare. So if there is only one seat left in a bucket (doesn't matter which type of fare), and you are trying to book seats for two pax on the same PNR, it will force both pax in the next higher fare class where there are at least 2 seats.
With dual inventory check, there must be both I space open and something in Q/L/V/K buckets in order for one of the I fares to be bookable. Did you check those coach buckets as well? If there is nothing in those buckets, it will book in the cheapest S/B/M/H fare basis FC fares for which there is bucket availability and these book into the P booking class.
With dual inventory check, there must be both I space open and something in Q/L/V/K buckets in order for one of the I fares to be bookable. Did you check those coach buckets as well? If there is nothing in those buckets, it will book in the cheapest S/B/M/H fare basis FC fares for which there is bucket availability and these book into the P booking class.
I needed 2 I seats on a connecting itinerary via SEA that has a 737 option with a 2.5 hour layover, or a 320 option with a 1 hour layover.
The 737 has been I4 for weeks and the 320 option has been I1 for the same amount of time.
Taking advice I believe I read on another thread, I booked the 320 as 1 pax and on another computer had the same availability pulled up. I finished record #1 , switched computers, and was able to snag the 2nd seat I needed within 3-5 minutes.
After finishing the 2nd booking, I pulled up availability again and it had almost doubled in price from the I fare to the P fare, which was the only one available now.
Just a data point.
Apr 16, 2019, 2:48 pm
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I don't know enough about how the internals work, but is this AS caching availability or Sabre?
I'm shocked that this works. I'd think that Sabre would have something built in to prevent overselling of inventory (this has to be a fairly common race condition, with different airlines being able to write tickets on their own stock and many people booking through travel agents as well as airlines)
Clearly I'm confused about how all these systems work together.
I'm shocked that this works. I'd think that Sabre would have something built in to prevent overselling of inventory (this has to be a fairly common race condition, with different airlines being able to write tickets on their own stock and many people booking through travel agents as well as airlines)
Clearly I'm confused about how all these systems work together.
Jul 13, 2019, 12:34 pm
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While I know this is the Alaska Mileage Plan forum, does anyone know the implication of the new I fare codes when crediting Alaska flights to partner programs? I’ve got an upcoming SJD-LAX on Alaska and the flight details state: “First (I)”. There is no mention of I on the Alaska earning charts for Avios or AsiaMiles, so I gather I cannot credit to partner programs, which is not very helpful to me.
Jul 13, 2019, 1:19 pm
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While I know this is the Alaska Mileage Plan forum, does anyone know the implication of the new I fare codes when crediting Alaska flights to partner programs? I’ve got an upcoming SJD-LAX on Alaska and the flight details state: “First (I)”. There is no mention of I on the Alaska earning charts for Avios or AsiaMiles, so I gather I cannot credit to partner programs, which is not very helpful to me.
James
Sep 16, 2019, 8:35 pm
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While I know this is the Alaska Mileage Plan forum, does anyone know the implication of the new I fare codes when crediting Alaska flights to partner programs? I’ve got an upcoming SJD-LAX on Alaska and the flight details state: “First (I)”. There is no mention of I on the Alaska earning charts for Avios or AsiaMiles, so I gather I cannot credit to partner programs, which is not very helpful to me.
BA’s earning chart does not show I Class and I just booked a flight in I but put in my BA number in the AS Rez.
Sep 17, 2019, 12:26 am
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me nothing. I complained to Alaska and I got a generic apology reply.
Sep 17, 2019, 1:59 am
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I did the same on my LAX-SJD and I earned 0 Avios. I pushed it with BA and sent in my receipt showing it was a paid First fare but no luck; they claim they have no knowledge whatsoever of an AS I fare so awarded
me nothing. I complained to Alaska and I got a generic apology reply.
me nothing. I complained to Alaska and I got a generic apology reply.
Sep 17, 2019, 3:19 am
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Interestingly, looking at the earning in BAEC for AS flights, U class is listed with all fare classes below M which earns 25% Avios.
That makes sense because upgrades usually credit on the underlying fare class. However, if you are an AS Elite and purchase an eligible fare for your status and receive a complimentary upgrade you wouldn't want to credit the flight to BAEC. An MVP who bought a full Y fare and was upgraded to U class would only earn 25% Avios even though the underlying full Y fare would have credited 100% making your F seat a penalty box.
James
That makes sense because upgrades usually credit on the underlying fare class. However, if you are an AS Elite and purchase an eligible fare for your status and receive a complimentary upgrade you wouldn't want to credit the flight to BAEC. An MVP who bought a full Y fare and was upgraded to U class would only earn 25% Avios even though the underlying full Y fare would have credited 100% making your F seat a penalty box.
James
Sep 17, 2019, 10:10 am
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I did the same on my LAX-SJD and I earned 0 Avios. I pushed it with BA and sent in my receipt showing it was a paid First fare but no luck; they claim they have no knowledge whatsoever of an AS I fare so awarded
me nothing. I complained to Alaska and I got a generic apology reply.
me nothing. I complained to Alaska and I got a generic apology reply.
I will try to see if there is somewhere else i can credit.
Maybe SQ?
Sep 17, 2019, 11:53 pm
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Based on my experience I would say: believe the published award charts. If you don’t see “I” listed, it’s likely going to credit as “0”. I hope they sort this out soon, or I will be avoiding AS, as I only fly in paid F and credit to BA.
Sep 18, 2019, 10:23 am
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I f they don't sort this out I guess I wont get any miles....lol...which doesn't really matter, I guess, as I didn't pay any money for the ticket! lol
I can credit to SQ or BA but it doesn't look like either of their respective charts list the new I Fares.