LWkitty

This is a standard US domestic first class product. Actually more comparable to an International Premium Economy product.

Fredd

That would be my experience too. The only intra-European flights I've flown in business (mainly on LH) feature the same configuration as economy but with the middle seat blocked and a little removable table sitting across the middle seat.

ashill

The OP paid $650 and considered it "full fare". That's an incredibly cheap fare for a lie flat seat. Yes, because of B6, it's currently the going rate in some cases for lie-flat seats on some flights. I personally think that $650 is a reasonable fare for a standard domestic F product (what would be called premium economy on an east coast to Europe flight which is only slightly longer and typically goes for a $500 premium over lowest coach, in my BA experience) on a somewhat-restricted fare with advance purchase requirements, but very cheap for lie flat F/J. As I and others have said, AS is in a bit of a bind because lie flat seats are currently selling for so cheap. In that situation, I wouldn't expect anyone to pay for AS F. But that doesn't make $650 an unreasonable fare for a domestic F product on a transcon flight, accepting that there are customers on this route who are willing to pay more than $650 for a product that AS doesn't offer.

bmvaughn

So what you mean by "full fare" is "not full fare". Got it.

That's a pretty good fare for what you got IMO, I paid $699 for SEA-MCI last week one-way in coach.

RichardInSF

To re-iterate:

$650 or so is currently a regularly available fare for flat bed seating between SFO/LAX-NYC, especially if purchased well in advance. It is not relevant that you paid more for a Y fare between other cities where there is less competition; as everyone on this site must know by now, air fares don't reflect cost or distance.

And I paid that price on AS because the flight left around when I wanted to leave, from my preferred NYC airport, and I assumed that it would be competitive with everyone else. That last item was a mistake on my part, for which I alone am to blame.

I started the thread to remind folks that just because I was stupid this time, no one else need be.

Now I'll stop posting. You may resume your normal superfan AS support without further interruption..

jrl767

jsguyrus

So looking at a random day in mid-May on SFO-EWR I see UA with departures each hour, 15 a day. they are all lie flats and five of those flights are wide bodies. The one way fares run between $1,800-$3,700. That same day AS has seven departures (3 to EWR, 4 to JFK) and the fare runs $699-$1400. AS doesn't have lie flats but they are much cheaper than UA, I just don't see the issue?

bmvaughn

The OP expected more for their money than the market will bear.

sltlyamusd

jsguyrus

But again, for like the 26 millionth time, you can't compare to VX (or TWA or Pan Am) because they don't exist anymore.

sltlyamusd

eddiehuang97

Allow me to rephrase what OP is saying:
At the desired departure time and desired departure airport AS is the cheapest so I chose them.

You can't expect the same product if someone is selling them for $1500 and AS is selling them for $650. If they are then you scored a steal. Also it's kinda unreasonable to compare prices from different departure time.

azepine00

Most likely this "regularly available" flat bed fare was not available at the time when you booked and you ended up on AS that was cheaper. You did not check why it was cheaper and what product your were buying and now this is all somehow AS fault and we are all AS superfans. Very few here even defend AS - it is a good carrier but we are well aware of limitations. But most likely you did save $ over flat bed options and you didn't have to go to EWR so it's not all that bad after all...

jsguyrus

And honestly it like a 5:30 flight. Other than a red eye does a lie flat even make a major difference? How much sleep do you really get between take off and landing? In the day time I am likely not going to be sleeping anyway.

cmd320

Yes.