Unaccompanied Minors Not Permitted on 2+ Hour Connections
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Unaccompanied Minors Not Permitted on 2+ Hour Connections
From the Alaska Airlines website:
I use Alaska a couple of times a year to send my daughter to her mom's house in California simply because their UM fees are the most reasonable. Earlier this year - before Alaska raised their UM fees - my daughter was able to fly alone on SkyWest flights with a number below 3440.
I went to book her travel for Christmas now and I'm forced to select more expensive flights and in many cases the "last flight out" simply because all earlier/cheaper flights have a SkyWest flight number below 3440.
This is a new change and when I asked Alaska "why" I wasn't given an answer - just directed to look at other options. I'm curious if anyone knows why this limitation is in place... I guess it would make me feel better if I knew there was a logical reason for this seemingly arbitrary limitation or it might help me to determine if this is something flexible with appropriate escalation.
Children traveling alone, ages 8 through 12 years old, may be booked on flights involving transfers or connections to flights operated by Alaska Airlines, Horizon Air, SkyWest Flight Series 3440-3499, PenAir, or Ravn Alaska
I went to book her travel for Christmas now and I'm forced to select more expensive flights and in many cases the "last flight out" simply because all earlier/cheaper flights have a SkyWest flight number below 3440.
This is a new change and when I asked Alaska "why" I wasn't given an answer - just directed to look at other options. I'm curious if anyone knows why this limitation is in place... I guess it would make me feel better if I knew there was a logical reason for this seemingly arbitrary limitation or it might help me to determine if this is something flexible with appropriate escalation.
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I know it's uncool to reply to your own post, but in case anyone else experiences this...
I decided to call back and escalate. I was unsuccessful but after a second time, I reached a supervisor who still couldn't explain "why" but decided to manually override the computer and book my child on our desired flight anyway even though the flight number was below 3440 and operated by SkyWest. The supervisor saw the restriction online and in her system but said something to the effect of "it must be some kind of mistake". I guess persistence pays off and the old mantra of HUCA (hang up, call again) is alive and well. It's also good to know that front-line supervisors are empowered to do overrides.
I decided to call back and escalate. I was unsuccessful but after a second time, I reached a supervisor who still couldn't explain "why" but decided to manually override the computer and book my child on our desired flight anyway even though the flight number was below 3440 and operated by SkyWest. The supervisor saw the restriction online and in her system but said something to the effect of "it must be some kind of mistake". I guess persistence pays off and the old mantra of HUCA (hang up, call again) is alive and well. It's also good to know that front-line supervisors are empowered to do overrides.
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Just to confirm, you’re booking a ticket with a connecting flight? The flight number restriction doesn’t appear to apply to nonstop flights.
If no one else offers an explanation, I’d use the contact webform on the AS site to inquire further.
https://www.alaskaair.com/feedback/general-comments
Edit: I see you got it resolved. ^
If no one else offers an explanation, I’d use the contact webform on the AS site to inquire further.
https://www.alaskaair.com/feedback/general-comments
Edit: I see you got it resolved. ^
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I wouldn't ask further about the rule until the flights have been flown, assuming that the supervisor properly documented the approval. You don't want to get attention that risks having the ticket cancelled.
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My only guess would be that the flight number range is intended to distinguish "AlaskaSkyWest" flights from AS codeshares on American Eagle flights operated by SkyWest (or, in the past, Delta Connection operated by SkyWest). It looks like they only allow online connections to Alaska prime flights (which makes sense; they don't want to deal with the added complexity and risk of handing an unaccompanied minor off from AS and their policies to a partner airline and their policies unless they've done work to make procedures compatible). Was there some time in the past when AS 3440-3499 covered all the AlaskaSkyWest flights and they used that old list?
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From the description, it doesn't sound like an airport issue since the airport in question has flights within and outside the range, but that timing seemed to play a role and that it wasn't an option on the early flights.
Sounds to me like it's built around staffing. They might be running more "bare bones" staffing in the early morning and as a general policy don't want people tied up escorting and watching UMs. Later in the day, maybe they have more staff or shifts overlapping, it's probably easier to handle UMs.
That being said, I don't think they'll just push the kiddos off the plane to fend for themselves - but OP might be making someone's day more stressful by short handing them at a position.
Sounds to me like it's built around staffing. They might be running more "bare bones" staffing in the early morning and as a general policy don't want people tied up escorting and watching UMs. Later in the day, maybe they have more staff or shifts overlapping, it's probably easier to handle UMs.
That being said, I don't think they'll just push the kiddos off the plane to fend for themselves - but OP might be making someone's day more stressful by short handing them at a position.
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From the description, it doesn't sound like an airport issue since the airport in question has flights within and outside the range, but that timing seemed to play a role and that it wasn't an option on the early flights.
Sounds to me like it's built around staffing. They might be running more "bare bones" staffing in the early morning and as a general policy don't want people tied up escorting and watching UMs. Later in the day, maybe they have more staff or shifts overlapping, it's probably easier to handle UMs.
Sounds to me like it's built around staffing. They might be running more "bare bones" staffing in the early morning and as a general policy don't want people tied up escorting and watching UMs. Later in the day, maybe they have more staff or shifts overlapping, it's probably easier to handle UMs.
If time of day were the issue, wouldn’t it be a lot easier to say “no unaccompanied minors on connecting itineraries arriving in the connection city before X:00?”?
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Are flight numbers organized by time of day reliably enough for AS/SkyWest to plan around it as you describe? I highly doubt it; in fact, I doubt that flight numbers are ordered by time of day as you describe (ie all SkyWest flights with flight numbers below some value are at a certain time of day) at all. And I highly doubt that they’re choosing flight numbers to be organized around unaccompanied minor policies.
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@missydarlin might be able to provide some insight, unless she's in MSY or LIH for we'll deserved R&R.
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@missydarlin might be able to provide some insight, unless she's in MSY or LIH for we'll deserved R&R.
@nethak are you saying that alaskaair.com isn't allowing you to book those flights? What markets? At what point is it stopping you?
I just tried shopping for a 10 yr old UM and was able to view and select a flight that in the 3300 range.
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The flight series text is incorrect. But I'm going to guess that the inhibition has way more to do with one of the two highlighted rules than with the flight series. I was successfuly able to shop online for both nonstop and connection flights using <3400 series flights for a UM
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The flight series text is incorrect. But I'm going to guess that the inhibition has way more to do with one of the two highlighted rules than with the flight series. I was successfuly able to shop online for both nonstop and connection flights using <3400 series flights for a UM
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The problem with flight number ranges is that flight numbers eventually change and make the rule out of date (see: HU earning chart). It looks like that rule was set when 3440-3499 were the only OOdbaAS flights.
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Are the other flight options longer than 2 hour connects? Maybe it's due to conflict between the two rules with the default resolution going to the last flight out? It looks like the 2 hour rule has the more restrictive wording of the two.