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Old Nov 18, 2018, 5:42 pm
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Consider the new SWIFT Green Line running up Bothell-Everett Highway, 128th/132nd, and Airport Rd to the airport. Can look out for any good free parking lots near the bus stops

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Old Nov 18, 2018, 8:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Toshbaf
It's possible but with only 18 flights and 2 gates in the terminal, AS will certainly be looking at the highest yield flights. The demand is probably much more than 18 flights. I wouldn't rule out eventually one ORD or IAD flight. JFK might be a choice if there's a desire not to compete directly with UA at IAD or ORD. It's always possible that LAX might be downgraded from 4 flights to 3, but using 737-900/900ER. So many possibilities.
PAE is in effect gate capped like DAL. AS only flies 1x SEA-IAD; they aren’t going to throw away a frequency on PAE-IAD (or PAE-JFK).

The East Coast is not the center of the AS universe. Neither are midcons. AS’s selections are pretty good: mostly routes where they control most of the traffic anyway, as opposed to being the little guy (ORD, IAD, DFW, JFK or whatever), and short stage lengths so they can try it with an E75 and not flood capacity in the market.

PAE is a small version of what BUR is to WN at LAX.
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Old Nov 18, 2018, 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
PAE is a small version of what BUR is to WN at LAX.
that’s a very good analogy (which, sadly, will likely be lost to many on here ... )
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 7:17 am
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@ $20/day for economy self parking we are going to continue to use SEA as our primary departure point.
Let me know when some cheaper parking options crop up.
From The Points Guy piece posted here this airport strikes me as pursuing Business travelers.
The leisure traveler is not important to their business model.
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 9:48 am
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@ $20/day for economy self parking we are going to continue to use SEA as our primary departure point.
Let me know when some cheaper parking options crop up.
From The Points Guy piece posted here this airport strikes me as pursuing Business travelers.
The leisure traveler is not important to their business model.
I am sure a couple of private lots with shuttles will open up before long. That price is a deal killer. There is plenty of raw land in that area.
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 10:13 am
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While the terminal looks very nice, I kind of think it is ridiculous. For me anyway, the whole idea of a smaller airport is moving through it faster. I do not want to spend time sitting in their plush terminal. I want to get through security and onto the plane. The only plus for me anyway, would be for lengthy delays. I doubt the average flyer from Arlington, Granite Falls, or Mt. Vernon, headed for Vegas, will much care where the imported marble came from, or the level of gloss in the concrete floor. They will want seats, heat, air conditioning, and quick access to the plane and their luggage.
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by tatterdema
While the terminal looks very nice, I kind of think it is ridiculous. For me anyway, the whole idea of a smaller airport is moving through it faster. I do not want to spend time sitting in their plush terminal. I want to get through security and onto the plane. The only plus for me anyway, would be for lengthy delays. I doubt the average flyer from Arlington, Granite Falls, or Mt. Vernon, headed for Vegas, will much care where the imported marble came from, or the level of gloss in the concrete floor. They will want seats, heat, air conditioning, and quick access to the plane and their luggage.
... and cheap parking or good transit access.

I’m taking a flight out of PAE as a novelty but it’s likely to stay that for me, living in central Seattle.
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward


... and cheap parking or good transit access.

I’m taking a flight out of PAE as a novelty but it’s likely to stay that for me, living in central Seattle.
I live in Northgate and travel to Vegas once a month. The flight times are perfect for my schedule, and I would fly PAE instead of SEA if it were comparable. With parking that high, I will not. Right now I pay about $5.50 a day for a lot at SEA. My average trip is 3 days, so for about $40 savings, I will keep driving to SEA. Especially in the winter when there are more chances of things going wrong, I would rather have more options.

Like you, I will take a flight for the experience no matter what, but unless it is somewhat price competitive, I wont be using them a lot.
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by tatterdema
Like you, I will take a flight for the experience no matter what, but unless it is somewhat price competitive, I wont be using them a lot.
In my case, it's no car, so SEA is light rail (for free on employer-provided pass), PAE is a multiple bus transfer ride (lol) or a $50 Uber/Lyft.
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 1:27 pm
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PAE is a dream for me. 15-20 minutes from Mill Creek area. Could Uber (c. $20) or even park and take the bus too. Just no direct flights where I need to go, right now...
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
In my case, it's no car, so SEA is light rail (for free on employer-provided pass), PAE is a multiple bus transfer ride (lol) or a $50 Uber/Lyft.
Lol, that is about 2 years off for me, and very much looking forward to it. I live 2 blocks from the new light rail station.
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 5:13 pm
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LAX-PAE blocked at 2hrs 55 minutes.

LAX-SEA blocked at 2hrs 55 minutes (there has been a recent increase in block time)

BUR-SEA blocked at 2hrs 40 minutes


Seattle and LAX are so congested ... if I really want to save time, I need a BUR-PAE flight! Paging Alaska Listens...
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Old Nov 19, 2018, 7:32 pm
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Originally Posted by eponymous_coward
Ranking in combined statistical areas or metropolitan statistical area:

SNA/LAX: 2nd
SJC/SFO: 5th
PHX: 11th
PDX: 25th
LAS: 28th
GEG: 99th

A good reason for PDX being on the list i....
The top domestic markets out of SEA (1-25) are almost all dominated by Alaska, and they're never any lower than second. Ones in bold will have service from PAE

Dest Rank Total Alaska(+QX +VX) %AS Top Carrier
LAX #1 842284 472989 56.2% Alaska Airlines Inc.
SFO #2 793677 370890 46.7% Alaska Airlines Inc.

ANC #3 732480 570602 77.9% Alaska Airlines Inc.
DEN #4 633366 184929 29.2% Alaska Airlines Inc.
LAS #5 585668 299555 51.1% Alaska Airlines Inc.
ORD #6 543971 161418 29.7% United Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
PHX #7 537736 215303 40.0% Alaska Airlines Inc.
PDX #8 443119 296643 66.9% Alaska Airlines Inc.

DFW #9 428964 293905 68.5% American Airlines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
SJC #10 413634 246273 59.5% Alaska Airlines Inc.
SAN #11 399300 269786 67.6% Alaska Airlines Inc.

MSP #12 375312 240531 64.1% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
GEG #13 370786 270552 73.0% Alaska Airlines Inc.
ATL #14 354412 287191 81.0% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
SLC #15 338919 215298 63.5% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
SMF #16 330555 160632 48.6% Alaska Airlines Inc.
SNA #17 313827 247203 78.8% Alaska Airlines Inc.
JFK #18 309824 154080 49.7% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
OAK #19 291022 157599 54.2% Southwest Airlines Co. (Alaska #2 )
DTW #20 274824 205555 74.8% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
IAH #21 266026 182503 68.6% United Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
BOS #22 232580 94522 40.6% Alaska Airlines Inc.
HNL #23 222393 84534 38.0% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
EWR #24 215801 112520 52.1% United Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
BOI #25 197953 108433 54.8% Alaska Airlines Inc.
(numbers for Jan-Aug 2018)

I'm still surprised that GEG isn't getting PAE service; and then looking at the numbers you start wondering if ANC or SMF makes sense. it appears the logic for the flights was
  • Alaska is the dominant carrier
  • Alaska share > 50% @ SEA
Now some of these numbers may actually be low for Alaska, as Skywest operate them, and it's not easy to separate Skywest (AS) from Skywest (UA) in the numbers.

In the top 50, Alaska is 1st or 2nd for passengers carried, with a single exception CLT @ 31st, where only AA operate the route

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Old Nov 19, 2018, 7:53 pm
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I'm still surprised that GEG isn't getting PAE service.
It's probably an equipment thing. GEG gets mostly Q400 service, especially to SEA, but PAE won't have any. The E175s just aren't as economical as the Qs on such a short flight.
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Old Nov 20, 2018, 11:47 pm
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The top domestic markets out of SEA (1-25) are almost all dominated by Alaska, and they're never any lower than second. Ones in bold will have service from PAE

Dest Rank Total Alaska(+QX +VX) %AS Top Carrier
LAX #1 842284 472989 56.2% Alaska Airlines Inc.
SFO #2 793677 370890 46.7% Alaska Airlines Inc.

ANC #3 732480 570602 77.9% Alaska Airlines Inc.
DEN #4 633366 184929 29.2% Alaska Airlines Inc.
LAS #5 585668 299555 51.1% Alaska Airlines Inc.
ORD #6 543971 161418 29.7% United Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
PHX #7 537736 215303 40.0% Alaska Airlines Inc.
PDX #8 443119 296643 66.9% Alaska Airlines Inc.

DFW #9 428964 293905 68.5% American Airlines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
SJC #1 0 413634 246273 59.5% Alaska Airlines Inc.
SAN #1 1 399300 269786 67.6% Alaska Airlines Inc.

MSP #1 2 375312 240531 64.1% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
GEG #1 3 370786 270552 73.0% Alaska Airlines Inc.
ATL #1 4 354412 287191 81.0% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
SLC #1 5 338919 215298 63.5% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
SMF #1 6 330555 160632 48.6% Alaska Airlines Inc.
SNA #1 7 313827 247203 78.8% Alaska Airlines Inc.
JFK #1 8 309824 154080 49.7% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
OAK #1 9 291022 157599 54.2% Southwest Airlines Co. (Alaska #2 )
DTW #2 0 274824 205555 74.8% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
IAH #2 1 266026 182503 68.6% United Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
BOS #2 2 232580 94522 40.6% Alaska Airlines Inc.
HNL #2 3 222393 84534 38.0% Delta Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
EWR #2 4 215801 112520 52.1% United Air Lines Inc. (Alaska #2 )
BOI #2 5 197953 108433 54.8% Alaska Airlines Inc.
(numbers for Jan-Aug 2018)
Very interesting.

I presume that AS will look at the most profitable route as well as routes that won't bleed too much traffic from SEA. Routes that only have one flight a day from SEA are unlikely to be served by PAE, even if the fares are profitable.

I don't know if 4 flights to PDX will be sustainable. I wouldn't be surprised if it were eventually cut to 3. LAS might be cut from 2 to 1 737. That might mean 2 flights either as increased frequency to the other airports or 2 new cities. Of the far away cities, I wouldn't be surprised if DFW were added if codeshares on AA to beyond cities were available. On the other hand, AA codeshare flights tend to be very expensive and attract few passengers, albeit ones that pay a high fare.
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