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sfozrhfco Oct 22, 18 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by channa (Post 30344219)
It's not clear if UA got smart, or if UA just uses the same seating algorithm for all tickets. If you have no seat, place in E+ if Premier.

Then using AS's algorithm, I guess MVP Gold 75Ks will be coded to broken middle seat in the back, MVP Golds get non-reclining middle seat, MVPs get random middle seats, and basic members/non members get premium aisle/window seats :)

missamo80 Oct 22, 18 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by eponymous_coward (Post 30343607)
That is what one would hope, especially since corporate booking policies are often "lowest fare".

There are lots of companies that, even with "lowest fare" rules, explicitly exclude BE fares or warn employees not to book them. The use-it-or-lose it cancellation policies are not corporate friendly. Which the airlines are fine with, since they just wound up extracting more money from companies for the same flights the companies used to get at the BE price...

Neil

nearlysober Oct 22, 18 4:01 pm


Originally Posted by be_rettSEA (Post 30342791)
This link (a guide to saver fares for travel agents) was posted in an 75K facebook group I follow and describes a lot of the benefits (or lack of) that the saver fares will have:
https://www.alaskaair.com/content/tr...es/saver-fares

It sounds like it won't necessarily be it's own distinct fare class from the description (so you could potentially buy a non-saver R fare or a saver Y fare, for example), but in summary:
  • no same day confirmed changes
  • no same day stand-by
  • no elite upgrades or ability to use miles to upgrade
  • no advance seat selection
  • last boarding group
  • mileage earning remains 1 mile flown = 1 EQM earned
Elites will retain some of their benefits including:
  • seat selection (though keep in mind premium class counts as an "upgrade", so you may have to pay for the seat you used to get for free - paying for a premium seat is permitted)
  • boarding prioirty
  • baggage allowance (including AS CC holders)

According to the link: Elite guests are assigned a seat at check-in.

That's pretty lame. I really enjoy the flexibility of being Gold, being able to book and change flights at a whim. But really I only "need" that for a few flights a year (bowl games!) so paying for a non-saver isn't huge there. But not being able to pick my seat? And no possibility of upgrade? Yuck.

Why not just make Savers the very very last tier to upgrade? We'd never clear anyway.
I guess, to answer my question, it's so in the odd chance they don't have the usual 20 person upgrade list, they could sell gate upgrades.

be_rettSEA Oct 22, 18 4:35 pm


Originally Posted by nearlysober (Post 30344450)
According to the link: Elite guests are assigned a seat at check-in.

That's pretty lame. I really enjoy the flexibility of being Gold, being able to book and change flights at a whim. But really I only "need" that for a few flights a year (bowl games!) so paying for a non-saver isn't huge there. But not being able to pick my seat? And no possibility of upgrade? Yuck.

Why not just make Savers the very very last tier to upgrade? We'd never clear anyway.
I guess, to answer my question, it's so in the odd chance they don't have the usual 20 person upgrade list, they could sell gate upgrades.

My bad - was reading too quickly, but you're right. No seat until check-in for elites makes this even worse than I thought. :(

PVDtoDEL Oct 22, 18 5:26 pm

So I guess that Business Insider article from earlier this year (https://www.businessinsider.com/alas...details-2018-4) that said everyone would get free seat assignments was wrong.

eponymous_coward Oct 22, 18 5:30 pm


Originally Posted by PVDtoDEL (Post 30344691)
So I guess that Business Insider article from earlier this year (https://www.businessinsider.com/alas...details-2018-4) that said everyone would get free seat assignments was wrong.

This is from the ALK investor presentation from Q3, page 35. Ooopsie, guess they were wrong about that first check mark. Gotta make that $100 million somehow...

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sfozrhfco Oct 22, 18 7:57 pm


Originally Posted by eponymous_coward (Post 30344704)
This is from the ALK investor presentation from Q3, page 35. Ooopsie, guess they were wrong about that first check mark. Gotta make that $100 million somehow...

I guess they meant a seat would be assigned TO you--whether you like it or not. :)

beckoa Oct 22, 18 11:27 pm

I really wish I was wrong :(

beckoa Oct 22, 18 11:44 pm

Can AS implement this on its own website?


Inhibiting Saver fares

  • If you do not wish to sell Saver fares, you can inhibit their display on GDSís and OBT booking tools. Contact your GDS or OBT Help Desk for detailed instructions on how to inhibit Saver fares.
  • If you do not inhibit Saver fares, they will be displayed as the lowest-priced available fare in the markets in which they are filed.


be_rettSEA Oct 23, 18 7:40 am


Originally Posted by beckoa (Post 30345450)
Can AS implement this on its own website?

Based on what we've seen with their IT systems recently? My guess is probably not. :p

milypan Oct 23, 18 8:05 am


Originally Posted by eponymous_coward (Post 30343019)
If AS matches WN lowest fares with these fares I basically have very little incentive to not book WN; itís not like I get F or changes or standby anyway for being a Gold. Essentially I get to pay a surcharge for the Gold benefits I want to use.

Well youíre still getting EQMs, right? Not saying itís worth it, but at least thatís better than BE fares on most competitors.

nearlysober Oct 23, 18 1:15 pm


Originally Posted by beckoa (Post 30345450)
Can AS implement this on its own website?

Well... if the point of basic economy is to be able to up-sell standard amenities and services then I imagine there will be a way to select a "main fare" ticket fairly easily.

I could picture it as an extra "column". So maybe the default search results will have a column for "Basic", "Main" or "First".

Although, that could get "busy" when you select the MVP filters and there'd be five columns. But I'd prefer that to a toggle to that prevents basic fares from being returned in the results. Would be nice to be able to price them out side by side to see how much I have to pay to retain my elite benefits.

beckoa Oct 23, 18 1:18 pm


Originally Posted by nearlysober (Post 30347686)
Well... if the point of basic economy is to be able to up-sell standard amenities and services then I imagine there will be a way to select a "main fare" ticket fairly easily.

I could picture it as an extra "column". So maybe the default search results will have a column for "Basic", "Main" or "First".

Although, that could get "busy" when you select the MVP filters and there'd be five columns. But I'd prefer that to a toggle to that prevents basic fares from being returned in the results. Would be nice to be able to price them out side by side to see how much I have to pay to retain my elite benefits.

Im sure they'll have radio buttons.

I was hoping for AS to just not sell these fares. Ie, they inhibit themselves from selling.

eponymous_coward Oct 23, 18 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by beckoa (Post 30347702)
II was hoping for AS to just not sell these fares. Ie, they inhibit themselves from selling.

Yeah, that's not happening. Can't upsell you to a higher fare and having you buy back your elite benefits without showing the lower fare (with the obligatory warnings).

isaac.chambers Oct 23, 18 3:02 pm

I would like to remind AS that they are still in a market share fight with Southwest Airlines....AS thinks they can extract 100MM out of customers, but as we have seen with all of the other majors *cough* United; they have grossly overestimated BE fares. They have proven that they actually lose money on their introduction by customers booking away from the airline. The same will happen here as they are in saturated markets with WN here on the west coast. It will get even worse with Hawaii services starting soon (rumour is in the coming weeks or month).

I will admit, i am only an AS MP elite due to VX acquisition and have flown AS a lot this year to requalify for MVP gold to really give them an honest shot....but I am also an A-List Preferred / Companion Pass holder. I am absolutely in love with WN...flexible, cheap, fun and rewarding. Sure it has its quirks, but probably the most customer friendly carrier in the USA right now. It was comforting to see WN management stand up to the financial analysts when they were trying WN to charge for bags, change fees, etc. AS should have been true to their name...blaze their own path to the Last Frontier of good customer service. It will be an interesting 2019 for my loyalty.....


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