AS as Potential oneworld Connect Member?
Dec 8, 2018, 11:13 am
#76
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https://www.oneworld-connect.com/
It has a table of lounge access for FJ with the airline partner...
the lounge access is very restrictive. dont get your hope up even if and when AS joins oneworld connect.
It has a table of lounge access for FJ with the airline partner...
the lounge access is very restrictive. dont get your hope up even if and when AS joins oneworld connect.
Dec 8, 2018, 12:35 pm
#77
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https://www.oneworld-connect.com/
It has a table of lounge access for FJ with the airline partner...
the lounge access is very restrictive. dont get your hope up even if and when AS joins oneworld connect.
It has a table of lounge access for FJ with the airline partner...
the lounge access is very restrictive. dont get your hope up even if and when AS joins oneworld connect.
FJ elite only have lounge access from the OW sponsor when flying their metal on a FJ code. No lounge access when flying on the sponsor's native code or flying one sponsor and accessing another sponsor's lounge (under the OW Connect elite status benefits, normal OW rules apply to OW status/cabin access of course).
Dec 8, 2018, 1:51 pm
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Not sure.
But back during the DOJ review, we knew about the Delta-Alaska breakup because people would respond/answer, yet silence when discussing American.
So its more psychological to admit a "no" but stay quiet on a "yes".
My bets are full participation. Do we have any 737s in for paint?! that may be a dead giveaway.
But back during the DOJ review, we knew about the Delta-Alaska breakup because people would respond/answer, yet silence when discussing American.
So its more psychological to admit a "no" but stay quiet on a "yes".
My bets are full participation. Do we have any 737s in for paint?! that may be a dead giveaway.
Dec 8, 2018, 3:15 pm
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Dec 9, 2018, 6:46 am
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Wow, those are restrictive!
FJ elite only have lounge access from the OW sponsor when flying their metal on a FJ code. No lounge access when flying on the sponsor's native code or flying one sponsor and accessing another sponsor's lounge (under the OW Connect elite status benefits, normal OW rules apply to OW status/cabin access of course).
FJ elite only have lounge access from the OW sponsor when flying their metal on a FJ code. No lounge access when flying on the sponsor's native code or flying one sponsor and accessing another sponsor's lounge (under the OW Connect elite status benefits, normal OW rules apply to OW status/cabin access of course).
Dec 9, 2018, 9:41 pm
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Like others mention before, be careful what you wish for. For me, I prefer AS to stay the way it is right now.
Dec 10, 2018, 11:06 am
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So, to be clear, the current working theory is that AS will devalue the award chart to make up for their financial loses from giving priority boarding to partner elites?
This only increases revenue for AS. There are no losses. "Business is so good that I had to hire more staff" does not equate to losses.
This only increases revenue for AS. There are no losses. "Business is so good that I had to hire more staff" does not equate to losses.
Dec 10, 2018, 11:28 am
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So, to be clear, the current working theory is that AS will devalue the award chart to make up for their financial loses from giving priority boarding to partner elites?
This only increases revenue for AS. There are no losses. "Business is so good that I had to hire more staff" does not equate to losses.
This only increases revenue for AS. There are no losses. "Business is so good that I had to hire more staff" does not equate to losses.
.*though I'm some FT weisenheimer who would run over their grandma for extra miles will ask "can I just show the shiny AA/other OW card and still credit to AS, because if I can get away with a scam that's against program rules, I wanna try"?
Dec 10, 2018, 1:13 pm
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Somebody's working theory, anyway. I think it's bunk. Devaluation stands or falls on it's own merits. The change is mostly a no-op, except maybe some AA elites get priority boarding and checkin (oooh, BFD) to go with their zero miles* if they credit to AA in order to use those benefits .
*though I'm some FT weisenheimer who would run over their grandma for extra miles will ask "can I just show the shiny AA/other OW card and still credit to AS, because if I can get away with a scam that's against program rules, I wanna try"?
.*though I'm some FT weisenheimer who would run over their grandma for extra miles will ask "can I just show the shiny AA/other OW card and still credit to AS, because if I can get away with a scam that's against program rules, I wanna try"?
For AS, I think being able to ticket on international partners (with domestic connections on its own metal) could increase revenue. And if they are crediting that international segment to Alaska's program, even better. That's the whole point of alliances, right?
I still think a devaluation will happen; I just don't think that it's at all related to this.
Dec 10, 2018, 1:18 pm
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I agree that it's mostly a no-op for us. Maybe priority boarding will be a bit more crowded. And maybe you will occasionally get to use a lounge that you wouldn't otherwise be able to. Whatever.
For AS, I think being able to ticket on international partners (with domestic connections on its own metal) could increase revenue. And if they are crediting that international segment to Alaska's program, even better. That's the whole point of alliances, right?
I still think a devaluation will happen; I just don't think that it's at all related to this.
For AS, I think being able to ticket on international partners (with domestic connections on its own metal) could increase revenue. And if they are crediting that international segment to Alaska's program, even better. That's the whole point of alliances, right?
I still think a devaluation will happen; I just don't think that it's at all related to this.
Dec 10, 2018, 1:40 pm
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So, to be clear, the current working theory is that AS will devalue the award chart to make up for their financial loses from giving priority boarding to partner elites?
This only increases revenue for AS. There are no losses. "Business is so good that I had to hire more staff" does not equate to losses.
This only increases revenue for AS. There are no losses. "Business is so good that I had to hire more staff" does not equate to losses.
Revenue is the money you take in. Cost is what you spend. Providing additional benefits to travelers presumably costs something (or reduces revenue from bags, for example). We don’t know whether a decision to join OW in some form would cause a loss or profit (one would hope that AS would expect this decision to be beneficial, i.e. profitable). Or whether it would even cause significant additional revenue for AS. It’s all speculation.
Dec 10, 2018, 1:46 pm
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A business decision can certainly lead to higher revenue and a loss. Or profit.
Revenue is the money you take in. Cost is what you spend. Providing additional benefits to travelers presumably costs something (or reduces revenue from bags, for example). We don’t know whether a decision to join OW in some form would cause a loss or profit (one would hope that AS would expect this decision to be beneficial, i.e. profitable). Or whether it would even cause significant additional revenue for AS. It’s all speculation.
The cost of providing priority boarding to more people is $0. Extra revenue - $0 = profit.
Dec 10, 2018, 1:57 pm
#89
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there will be people complaining about boarding so late (like AS credit card holder) and they may cut the card and fly other airlines.
Dec 10, 2018, 2:00 pm
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Yeah, that's pretty ridiculous. Take a look as UA or AA in their hubs. The whole plane really CAN have priority.