Updates on 737 MAX for AS?
Apr 3, 2018, 7:07 am
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I am not a small guy. I have (successfully!) used the smaller restrooms of Delta's 739ERs and refurbed Airbus 319/320s. If you have ever used a CRJ-200 restroom dimensions will be familiar. I don't spend too much time in airplane lavs. I don't think you'll find that the average person does. Seat pitch and seat design have a lot more to do with passenger comfort.
AS puts 159 seats on a 738. UA and DL put 160. American is putting 172 on its Max 8s and refurbed 738s. Don't confuse a miserable airline configuration with inherent aircraft comfort.
AS puts 159 seats on a 738. UA and DL put 160. American is putting 172 on its Max 8s and refurbed 738s. Don't confuse a miserable airline configuration with inherent aircraft comfort.
Apr 3, 2018, 9:06 am
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Apr 3, 2018, 1:45 pm
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You guys are completely ignoring the fact that the MAX lavatories are NOT UNIQUE TO THE MAX.
Delta, United, and American are all using them, too.
But the newly delivered 737NG's at United and Delta were already fitted with them.
So don't blame MAX.
And I'm really looking forward to the CFM LEAP engines. From YouTube videos, they sound like the big GE's, which I like.
Beyond that, sure, it's just another 737.
But it's worth noting, amongst all of you guys .....ing about a worse experience in Y, that at least United (unlike American) has kept the same 737-9ER config for the MAX.
Maybe Alaska will do the same!
Delta, United, and American are all using them, too.
But the newly delivered 737NG's at United and Delta were already fitted with them.
So don't blame MAX.
And I'm really looking forward to the CFM LEAP engines. From YouTube videos, they sound like the big GE's, which I like.
Beyond that, sure, it's just another 737.
But it's worth noting, amongst all of you guys .....ing about a worse experience in Y, that at least United (unlike American) has kept the same 737-9ER config for the MAX.
Maybe Alaska will do the same!
Apr 3, 2018, 1:58 pm
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If the planned Recaro whY seats are about the same as the current 737-900ER seats, I'll be happy to try out the MAX. I might even venture back to the lav just for shiggles.I may AvGeek from time to time, but my headphones are in for takeoff and most of the flight, so meh - it's just another 737.
Apr 3, 2018, 2:44 pm
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Are they smaller than before? Yes. But the comments about not being able to turn around or wash hands are completely blown out of proportion, unless you're nearing a 'passenger-of-size'.
My one complaint is that it's difficult to wash your hands without splashing water everywhere.
Apr 3, 2018, 4:18 pm
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So, that means we can blame UA and DL for the worlds problems, right!? If the planned Recaro whY seats are about the same as the current 737-900ER seats, I'll be happy to try out the MAX. I might even venture back to the lav just for shiggles.
I may AvGeek from time to time, but my headphones are in for takeoff and most of the flight, so meh - it's just another 737.
If the planned Recaro whY seats are about the same as the current 737-900ER seats, I'll be happy to try out the MAX. I might even venture back to the lav just for shiggles.I may AvGeek from time to time, but my headphones are in for takeoff and most of the flight, so meh - it's just another 737.
Regarding sound/noise/geekery, sure, but a significant portion of what I'm talking about is the QUIET NATURE of said engines. The A320 tends to have a quieter cabin (YMMV, of course) than my beloved 737s, so I'm hoping that the LEAP upgrade will improve on that.
Apr 3, 2018, 5:28 pm
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Well, I prefer to blame UA for all the world's problems, but hey, to each his own!
Regarding sound/noise/geekery, sure, but a significant portion of what I'm talking about is the QUIET NATURE of said engines. The A320 tends to have a quieter cabin (YMMV, of course) than my beloved 737s, so I'm hoping that the LEAP upgrade will improve on that.
Regarding sound/noise/geekery, sure, but a significant portion of what I'm talking about is the QUIET NATURE of said engines. The A320 tends to have a quieter cabin (YMMV, of course) than my beloved 737s, so I'm hoping that the LEAP upgrade will improve on that.
Apr 3, 2018, 9:17 pm
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The MAX will be worse than the 739 because there will be more passengers. Longer to board, longer to offload. And with these miserably dense Y cabins, that's just more time for misery. And no, AS is not unique - this is true pretty much across carriers.
The fact is, US airlines are buying the 737 MAX so they can fly more passengers at a lower cost. That's overall bad news for passenger comfort.
The fact is, US airlines are buying the 737 MAX so they can fly more passengers at a lower cost. That's overall bad news for passenger comfort.
Apr 3, 2018, 9:40 pm
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Do you have a source on that? I was under the impression that Alaska was keeping the passenger count about the same but I don't remember if there is an official source or not.
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Apr 3, 2018, 10:39 pm
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Does this mean we get ANC-LIH? 
*not sure if there is improved takeoff performance or not.
*not sure if there is improved takeoff performance or not.
Apr 4, 2018, 7:51 am
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You guys are completely ignoring the fact that the MAX lavatories are NOT UNIQUE TO THE MAX.
Delta, United, and American are all using them, too.
But the newly delivered 737NG's at United and Delta were already fitted with them.
So don't blame MAX.
And I'm really looking forward to the CFM LEAP engines. From YouTube videos, they sound like the big GE's, which I like.
Beyond that, sure, it's just another 737.
But it's worth noting, amongst all of you guys .....ing about a worse experience in Y, that at least United (unlike American) has kept the same 737-9ER config for the MAX.
Maybe Alaska will do the same!
Delta, United, and American are all using them, too.
But the newly delivered 737NG's at United and Delta were already fitted with them.
So don't blame MAX.
And I'm really looking forward to the CFM LEAP engines. From YouTube videos, they sound like the big GE's, which I like.
Beyond that, sure, it's just another 737.
But it's worth noting, amongst all of you guys .....ing about a worse experience in Y, that at least United (unlike American) has kept the same 737-9ER config for the MAX.
Maybe Alaska will do the same!
+1
It’s the configuration, not the aircraft. Airlines can configure any plane to be comfortable or uncomfortable. Increasingly, they’re choosing the latter, especially when a new fleet comes on the property. But anyone who thinks those uncomfortable configurations (including incredibly narrow lavs) won’t fairly quickly migrate to the existing fleet is kidding themselves, IMO.
Apr 4, 2018, 4:46 pm
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The MAX will be worse than the 739 because there will be more passengers. Longer to board, longer to offload. And with these miserably dense Y cabins, that's just more time for misery. And no, AS is not unique - this is true pretty much across carriers.
The fact is, US airlines are buying the 737 MAX so they can fly more passengers at a lower cost. That's overall bad news for passenger comfort.
The fact is, US airlines are buying the 737 MAX so they can fly more passengers at a lower cost. That's overall bad news for passenger comfort.
So whether there are more people in the plane or not has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AIRFRAME.
Take AA; they're re-configuring their 737-800s to match the MAX configuration. AND also some of their Airbusses are getting densified...
Apr 4, 2018, 8:44 pm
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My concern with MAX is will they have fixed the terrible front wheel shudder that’s so prevalent in 737 first class just after the aircraft takes off until the front wheel stops spinning? That isn’t necessary. There is a solution.
May 4, 2018, 2:48 pm
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Order for 15 Max 8s converted to Max 9s, bringing total to 32 https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-max-9-448357/
May 4, 2018, 3:18 pm
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Order for 15 Max 8s converted to Max 9s, bringing total to 32 https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-max-9-448357/
I find it interesting that Alaska has stuck with the -9, rather than jumping on the -10 bandwagon.
Perhaps their infrastructure network isn't really compatible with that longer airframe. Or perhaps they don't think they'd get enough benefits out of it to justify the investment.