Upcoming AS Route Cuts
May 11, 2019, 8:55 pm
#601
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 30
Both SJD and PVR from SNA are gone from 8/7, replaced with two daily SNA-SJC frequencies
May 12, 2019, 11:16 pm
#602
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: SEA/ORD/ADB
Programs: TK ELPL (*G), AS 100K (OWE), BA Gold (OWE), Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Plat, IHG Plat
Posts: 7,763
Looks like the redeye LAX-BOS is gone in the fall schedule. I loved that flight (have 3 booked this year), so feeling sad that it's gone. That said, based on BTS data, it looks like AS is losing its shirt on the route, so I can't say I'm too surprised.
All my LAX-BOS tickets are now rerouted via SFO. Hopefully, the SFO-BOS redeye isn't next on the chopping block.
All my LAX-BOS tickets are now rerouted via SFO. Hopefully, the SFO-BOS redeye isn't next on the chopping block.
May 13, 2019, 8:52 am
#603
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Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 12,594
It's already not on the current schedule - I've flown LAX-BOS a couple times in the past month or so and am probably booking another one for this week or next and haven't seen it listed in the search results in a while.
May 13, 2019, 10:11 am
#604
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: SFO
Programs: BART Platinum, AA Plat Pro
Posts: 1,158
May 13, 2019, 11:04 am
#605
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Programs: B6 Mosaic, Bonvoy LT Titanium (x SPG LT), IHG Spire, UA Silver
Posts: 5,847
I would guess that LAX-BOS will be cancelled completely by the end of the year. This is one of their weakest routes. UA used to suspend their service for the winter--at a time with much less competition. As the weakest link, AS will likely just give up that route and move the capacity to another route where they will be more successful.
May 13, 2019, 11:22 am
#606
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: PDX
Programs: AS MVP Gold 100K
Posts: 2,329
Is there a way to see load factors on a specific route for each airline or are you limited to seeing total departures and/or arrivals for a particular airport?
May 13, 2019, 11:32 am
#607
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: YYF/YLW
Programs: AA, DL, AS, VA, WS Silver
Posts: 5,950
You can see average fare on a specific route and the high fare airline and low fare airline (with their average fares).
May 13, 2019, 2:12 pm
#611
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Programs: B6 Mosaic, Bonvoy LT Titanium (x SPG LT), IHG Spire, UA Silver
Posts: 5,847
If B6 were the only problem, then AS could probably hang on. Unfortunately for them DL, UA, AA also have capacity on this route and are offering a premium product. So AS lacks frequency, is unlikely to get F revenue with the weakest product on the route, and has a very limited presence in Boston. With DL now trying to grow BOS, and UA now paying attention to this route when it used to be an afterthought for them, there is just no room for AS anymore from LAX to BOS.
May 18, 2019, 10:15 am
#612
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: UA Million Miler Gold, Delta Gold, Alaska/VX Gold, SPG Gold for Life
Posts: 47
Bay area strategy (or lack of)
I fly coast to coast all the time out of SFO, northeast (BOS, LGA, IAD) in summer and southeast (MCO, FLL, MIA). 3x a year to YOW (painful).
Why so many flights to Hawaii? Didn't Southwest just get into this market?
I'm willing to fly out of SJC or OAK for Alaska if they would offer direct long haul flights.
Pick a bay area airport and commit/grow it, the slow death of VX, no lounge in SFO.
While we're at it, pick a SoCal one too and pull out of LAX.
Be the long haul value carrier Southwest isn't (or was ala Airtran).
I see more of my 2019 business shifting to DL which is sad as I had hoped VX err AS was gonna thrive here. Oh well, good luck with Portland!
May 18, 2019, 10:32 am
#614
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: BUR/LAX
Programs: AS MVP
Posts: 300
Thoughts on LAX-BOS.
This is certainly a bloodbath, but not just for AS, but for everyone else.
You can't be a hub carrier at LAX without flying to BOS. Just can't do it. But BOS is not a huge city and with everyone flying the route because "they have to fly it" the fares have been very depressed for a number of years.
I've been to Boston a couple times in the last two years ... one time I took the daytime AS flight LAX-BOS, and another time, the redeye was not on the scheduled so I flew B6 there, instead.
This is a route where AS makes it really hard to be LAX based and stay loyal to AS. Single daily schedule, and very expensive pricing if you fly a connection through one of the other west coast hubs. Without a mid-con hub to connect over when the single daily flight time doesn't work, Alaska's options are pretty abysmal. I feel like they are "half in" in LAX and I'm not sure how an airline can stay "half in" in LAX when everyone else is "all in."
If it wasn't for BUR-SEA and LAX-PAE, I'd be flying Delta. But I just can't see the bulk of my flying moving to LAX-SEA for every single flight. What a nightmare that would be.
This is certainly a bloodbath, but not just for AS, but for everyone else.
You can't be a hub carrier at LAX without flying to BOS. Just can't do it. But BOS is not a huge city and with everyone flying the route because "they have to fly it" the fares have been very depressed for a number of years.
I've been to Boston a couple times in the last two years ... one time I took the daytime AS flight LAX-BOS, and another time, the redeye was not on the scheduled so I flew B6 there, instead.
This is a route where AS makes it really hard to be LAX based and stay loyal to AS. Single daily schedule, and very expensive pricing if you fly a connection through one of the other west coast hubs. Without a mid-con hub to connect over when the single daily flight time doesn't work, Alaska's options are pretty abysmal. I feel like they are "half in" in LAX and I'm not sure how an airline can stay "half in" in LAX when everyone else is "all in."
If it wasn't for BUR-SEA and LAX-PAE, I'd be flying Delta. But I just can't see the bulk of my flying moving to LAX-SEA for every single flight. What a nightmare that would be.
May 18, 2019, 10:41 am
#615
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: SEA, but up and down the coast a lot
Programs: Oceanic Airlines Gold Elite
Posts: 20,386
Because SEA-PDX is a popular route, and AS's network is closer to WN's than DL/UA/AA. Note that WN has DAL/AUS/SAT/HOU all in about a 300 mile circle in Texas and does just fine, as well as OAK/SJC, LAX/SAN/BUR/ONT... all cases where they went ahead to "create another hub 165 miles away from your major one". They, unlike DL/UA/AA, haven't had a bankruptcy.