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Old Jan 13, 2018, 7:24 pm
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Originally Posted by jsguyrus
With a hub in SFO the new AS on time performance is not going to be great going forward.
Depends how AS manages their slots and pads their schedules.

UA tends to do above average with SFO arrivals.

In the last set of Data (October 2017), SFO averaged 72.6%, with UA a good bit above that at 78.5%, and VX a good bit below that at 67%. But UA also has a big Express operation they can sacrifice to keep the mainline operation running on time or close to on time in ATC issues.
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Old Jan 13, 2018, 7:49 pm
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
In November, the reporting carriers posted an on-time arrival rate of 88.3 percent... the second highest rate ever reported.

It's just one month, but carriers in general had a good month while Alaska Air Group carriers did not.
Per the bts database, AS was 87% ontime for the period of Nov 6-Nov 30, so it was really those few days with snow at the beginning of the month that brought them down.
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Old Jan 13, 2018, 8:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Bretmd
Early November was when a few flurries hit Seattle and AS melted down for an entire weekend. I'm sure December will be better, since most of the weather issues were not in the west.
To be clear, Port of Seattle had the meltdown. It simply cannot handle snow on the planes and runways.
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Old Jan 14, 2018, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by channa
UA tends to do above average with SFO arrivals.

In the last set of Data (October 2017), SFO averaged 72.6%, with UA a good bit above that at 78.5%, and VX a good bit below that at 67%. But UA also has a big Express operation they can sacrifice to keep the mainline operation running on time or close to on time in ATC issues.
Yes, I think we won't see a valid comparison until the data for Express flights is counted in UA's numbers.
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Old Jan 14, 2018, 8:05 pm
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Old Jan 14, 2018, 11:42 pm
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Pilots have also been purposefully delaying flights while they negotiate. Not sure if that plays into these stats or not.
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Old Jan 15, 2018, 6:36 am
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Pilots have also been purposefully delaying flights while they negotiate. Not sure if that plays into these stats or not.
I think that’s been strongly denied by the company and the union.
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Old Jan 15, 2018, 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by fly18725
I think that’s been strongly denied by the company and the union.
Of course it has. Doesn't mean it's not true.
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Old Jan 15, 2018, 6:49 pm
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Originally Posted by CDKing
Probably due to Alaska Horizon being lumped in.
VX it’s probably just SFO related...
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 11:29 am
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United Improves While JetBlue, Alaska, and Southwest Don't in 2017 On-Time Derby | Cranky Flier

Alaska and Virgin America Have Merger Pains
If you thought the Southwest numbers looked bad, keep moving to the right. It was not a good year for Alaska and Virgin America. Alaska saw performance slip with A14 dropping from 87.1 percent in 2016 to 82.9 percent last year. That, of course, is still a decent number (at least it’s better than Southwest), but that’s a steep drop. Virgin America, meanwhile, saw an even worse plunge from 77.5 percent all the way down to 71.6 percent. There really isn’t any good news here. Alaska is clearly struggling with how to best operate an airline that has a huge chunk of its operation at San Francisco, an incredibly delay-prone airport. I tend to give management a pass on things like this during a merger integration, but that pass won’t last much longer. We’ll look in 2019 to see if Alaska is really up to the task of fixing this.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 12:46 pm
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That is actually pretty worthwhile comparison since it includes all regional operations under the marketing brand.

For the year 2017:

DL 84%
AS 82.9%
UA 81.7%
AA 80.8%
WN 79.7%
B6 73.5%
VX 71.6%

So, even with all the QX woes, AS was still in 2nd place and not far behind DL. But, clearly VX is lagging behind way behind AS, which will be a challenge as AS continues to integrate operations at SFO.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 1:13 pm
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Originally Posted by sltlyamusd
So, even with all the QX woes, AS was still in 2nd place and not far behind DL. But, clearly VX is lagging behind way behind AS, which will be a challenge as AS continues to integrate operations at SFO.
Cancellations don't impact on time, so yes.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 1:19 pm
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Originally Posted by sltlyamusd
But, clearly VX is lagging behind way behind AS, which will be a challenge as AS continues to integrate operations at SFO.
In 2018, VX stats will be almost all combined with AS (given that everything is now officially AS given the SOC), so that would tank their on-times pretty harshly unless they fix things.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 1:20 pm
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AS is also not dinged for QX's mass cancellations in advance. They're still operating at what, 75% of the former schedule?
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 1:30 pm
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Originally Posted by channa
Cancellations don't impact on time, so yes.
They do, in that the canceled flight is counted as "not on-time." For DOT reporting, the A14 number is the percentage of total scheduled flights that arrive at the gate no more than 14 minutes late. However, it is important to also compare the cancellation rates between carriers.
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